What era is this visor cap, and is it US Navy or Merchant Marine

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What era is this visor cap, and is it US Navy or Merchant Marine

Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 15 Jan 2022 17:38

Up for auction what era and service,
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Thanks and save this I went theres, I have no idea where to start,lol

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Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 15 Jan 2022 21:44

A quick search suggests US Maritime Service WW2, another page says US Navy, another page says pre WW2 Merchant Marine. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Post by von thoma » 15 Jan 2022 23:32

For me a visor cap of U.S. Navy officer ( Captain, or Commander ). Approx. late 30's.

U.S. Maritime Service/ Merchant Marine has a different cap insignia.
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Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 15 Jan 2022 23:34

cool info, thanks fellow member

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Re: What era is this visor cap, and is it US Navy or Merchant Marine

Post by Joseph1821 » 02 May 2022 20:36

https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/Reference ... er-4/4311/

It is post 1941 as that is the year that they changed the eagle facing from left to right.
"The uniform regulations of 1866 prescribed, for the first time, an eagle-anchor device to be worn on a visored cap, with the eagle facing left. But the enclosed illustration from Tily captioned "Cap Ornament," [not included] which was introduced in 1869, shows the eagle facing right. In general, though, the eagles in decorative use from the 1860's through 1940 faced to the left. You will find enclosed [not included] a copy of a memorandum from the Director of Naval History to Commander-in-Chief, U.S. Naval Forces, Europe of 13 December 1963. It contains an explanation of the change in uniform regulations that occurred in 1941, which prescribed the right-facing eagle that has been used since that year. The shift of the eagle's aspect to right-facing from left-facing is logical from the perspective of heraldic tradition, since the right side (dexter) is the honor side of the shield and the left side (sinester) indicates dishonor or illegitimacy." (https://www.history.navy.mil/research/l ... #evolution).
"Cap covers were made in a variety of colors and materials so that they could be matched to the appropriate uniform. Wool covers were lined on the inside with rayon and came in navy blue, green, and khaki. Blue wool covers were usually made in heavy broadcloth, but could also be found in serge, whipcord, or elastique. Green covers, authorized for aviation personnel, were usually made in elastique wool. Khaki wool covers were made using a tropical worsted material. The cotton khaki and gray covers were made of uniform twill. The white cover was made in a heavy grade cotton poplin weave and weatherproofed. Officers and chief petty officers wore the same color service and working uniforms and thus the entire spectrum of cap colors were used by both. Stewards and cooks, for the most part, wore blue and white uniforms with matching caps, but sometimes could be seen wearing the gray uniform and cap." (https://www.usww2uniforms.com/USN_combination_cap.html)

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