Kriegsmarine frogmen, high speed explosive boats and one-man submarines?

[Felix C]

Efforts to mine the Remagen Bridge by frogmen is an interesting operation.

[Linkagain]

Both the Kriegsmarine and the Waffen SS had Frogmen.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kommando_ ... fte_Marine

[bettika]

Hi Roel,

There are three photos on the web showing British troops inspecting them. I was in touch with the owner of the photos. He told me his father had photographed the Wal as a member of the Vernon mine department and that they could have been taken to Scotland for inspection, where the department had been relocated.

I think you mean photos like this https://www.mcdoa.org.uk/images/Vernon% ... inisub.jpg
I have discussed them in another forum https://www.forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/i ... 518.0.html
I believe they have been taken in Germany Priwall or Pötenitz .Fock wrote in his book about WAL , the K-Verband made his trials in the "Luftwaffendepot Travemünde" Travemünde-Bay
In the discussion came a source in TNA as possible https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov. ... r/C3730889

Brgds
Beate

[Ulsinus]

Hi Simon,

HMS Isis was sunk on July 20, 1944, at about 6pm in Seine Bay.
The cause has been ascribed to either a mine or manned torpedo depending on which text you read.
I would like to establish which is the more likely cause. Ideally beyond reasonable doubt possible.
From a variety of secondary sources I understand the following:

K-Verband Unit 361 with 40 negers arrived in Normandy June 28.
July 6 attack. 26 launched, 2 forced back. Only 9 returned.Leaving 25 for next attack.
July 8 attack. 25 launched. 21 failed to return. Leaving 4.

I would like to establish that no further attacks by negers or manders took place in July 1944.

From secondary sources I believe K-Verband Unit 361 waited until reinforcements arrived in August when 42 manders arrived. A mass attack then took place on 16 into 17 August.

I have read your posts and wonder if signals:

XL 3450 1048 hrs 26 July Provides detailed review of movements & projected operations by small battle units. Notes ‘human torpedo’ operations in Seine Bay by two flotillas, one on night of 5-6 July & another the following night. First unit involved is returning to Lübeck via Paris. Another flotilla will arrive in Paris area during week beginning 9 July. Also reviews operations in Mediterranean.

And/or

XL 8060 2208 hrs 26 Aug Report 24 August summarises activities of small battle units up to that date. 211th Flotilla operated in Seine bay on nights of 5-6 July & 8-9 August, & has returned to Germany. 212th Flotilla has not yet operated but will be ready to leave Baltic around 31 August. According to HQ of small battle units on 17 August, it is to operate in the West or – if this is impossible – the Mediterranean. 261st Flotilla has not yet operated & was expected to leave Germany for West on 21 August. It is to carry out an operation from Fécamp on 29-30 August. 361st Flotilla operated in Seine bay on night 7-8 July & appears to have returned to Germany. 362nd Flotilla operated in Seine bay on night 2-3 August, is now in Tournai probably returning to Baltic. 363rd Flotilla operated in Seine bay on nights 15-16 & 16-17 August. Now moving via Le Havre to Baltic. 364th Flotilla has not yet operated. It was to do so in Le Havre area but intention given up on 23 August & HQ states it will go to Mediterranean.
XL 8136 1029 hrs 27 Aug Describes situation in NW France up to 0700 hrs 27 August, according to German naval sources. Brief reference to special operation from Fécamp.

Might resolve my question.

Your help, guidance, and advice will be greatly appreciated.

Best wishes

Bob








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