Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by ljadw » 03 May 2022 20:41

What means :being of german blood ?
Both parents and all 4 grand parents being of german blood, or only the paternal ancestors,etc..?
We still don't know what people in Cisleithania who ''spoke '' German,meant with the expression ''being of german blood ''.
And due to the intermarriages between Slavs and non Slavs in what is today Austria, and Czechia and Slovakia, etc ,it would be difficult to find people whose ancestors were during a century only of german blood .
In Bohemia and Moravia 30 % of those with Czech names had as main language German and 30 % of those with german names had as main language Czech .
About Hitler : no one said that he was not of german blood, but there are also no proofs for the opposite ,as no one knows who was Hitler's paternal grand father .He could be a Slav, no one knows .
All we know is that after the Anschluss Hitler gave the order to remain silent about his ancestors,because it was possible that they could not ''raise '' to the demands of racial purity of the Third Reich .
The famous LW pilot Novotny was from Czech descent.

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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 03 May 2022 21:06

ljadw wrote:
03 May 2022 20:41
About Hitler : no one said that he was not of german blood
You know why ? Because obviously, he was of german blood. :milsmile:

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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by George L Gregory » 03 May 2022 21:44

DavidFrankenberg wrote:
03 May 2022 21:06
ljadw wrote:
03 May 2022 20:41
About Hitler : no one said that he was not of german blood
You know why ? Because obviously, he was of german blood. :milsmile:
We are going back and forth with a well known troll on this forum. He’s in his early 70s and evidently isn’t taking strong enough medicine. :lol:

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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by ljadw » 04 May 2022 06:01

DavidFrankenberg wrote:
03 May 2022 21:06
ljadw wrote:
03 May 2022 20:41
About Hitler : no one said that he was not of german blood
You know why ? Because obviously, he was of german blood. :milsmile:
How do you know ? The name of his paternal grandfather is unknown .

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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 04 May 2022 09:28

ljadw wrote:
04 May 2022 06:01
DavidFrankenberg wrote:
03 May 2022 21:06
ljadw wrote:
03 May 2022 20:41
About Hitler : no one said that he was not of german blood
You know why ? Because obviously, he was of german blood. :milsmile:
How do you know ? The name of his paternal grandfather is unknown .
Yourself said that language did not matter in ethnicity. Why the name should matter then ?

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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by ljadw » 04 May 2022 14:30

You said that language did matter in ethnicity .
The name of Hitler's paternal grandfather does matter because if he was Slavic,that would debunk the claim from the Nazis that Hitler was of german blood ,german blood being also as irrelevant and meaningless as being an ethnic German .
About language : Otto Preminger (well known cineast ) spoke German ( as native language ? or as colloquial language ?) but that does not make him a German,or german .
He was the son of Jewish parents ( which does not make him Jewish ) and born in Bukovina, not in present Austria and became an Austrian citizen only after 1918 .
The mother of Fritz Lang had Jewish ancestors but converted to Catholicism before his birth ,that makes Fritz not Jewish .
The grandfather of Trump was a German immigrant, that does not make him a German,or german .
Ancestors or language do not matter in what is wrongly called ''ethnicity ''.

For me it is totally irrelevant if the grandfather of Hitler was Slavic,because Hitler being a German, german ,has nothing to do with his ancestry .
But for those who are talking about Hitler's german blood, it is important ,as in their vision someone with a Slavic grandfather could not be a German, could not be german .
Lavrov made the same mistake : he said that Hitler had ( a little ) Jewish blood .
1 This is not proved
2 It is irrelevant as having Jewish blood ( how much ?) does not make you Jewish and not having german blood does not make you non Jewish .

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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 04 May 2022 17:03

ljadw wrote:
04 May 2022 14:30
You said that language did matter in ethnicity .
The name of Hitler's paternal grandfather does matter because if he was Slavic,that would debunk the claim from the Nazis that Hitler was of german blood ,german blood being also as irrelevant and meaningless as being an ethnic German .
About language : Otto Preminger (well known cineast ) spoke German ( as native language ? or as colloquial language ?) but that does not make him a German,or german .
He was the son of Jewish parents ( which does not make him Jewish ) and born in Bukovina, not in present Austria and became an Austrian citizen only after 1918 .
The mother of Fritz Lang had Jewish ancestors but converted to Catholicism before his birth ,that makes Fritz not Jewish .
The grandfather of Trump was a German immigrant, that does not make him a German,or german .
Ancestors or language do not matter in what is wrongly called ''ethnicity ''.

For me it is totally irrelevant if the grandfather of Hitler was Slavic,because Hitler being a German, german ,has nothing to do with his ancestry .
But for those who are talking about Hitler's german blood, it is important ,as in their vision someone with a Slavic grandfather could not be a German, could not be german .
Lavrov made the same mistake : he said that Hitler had ( a little ) Jewish blood .
1 This is not proved
2 It is irrelevant as having Jewish blood ( how much ?) does not make you Jewish and not having german blood does not make you non Jewish .
Are you arguing that Hitler was not german ? that he has no german blood ? that he was jewish ? czech ? slavic ?

He was an ethnic german. As far as we can check, he was 100% german and absolutely nothing indicates that he was slavic or jewish or anything else. Do you have any hint about Hitler was not german ?

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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by ljadw » 04 May 2022 17:39

''As far as we can check '' : we don't know who was his paternal grandfather ,thus we don't know anything .Thus to say that he was an ''ethnic ''German is unproved .
I never said that Hitler was not German,or that he was jewish, czech, slavic .
I am saying
a Those who argue that he was 100 % German have no proofs for this .
b Given the mass immigration to Cisleithania and present Austria of Jew listed people and of Slavic listed people and given the mixed marriages between German listed people, Jew listed people, Slavic listed people, it is impossible to say that Hitler and ALL German listed people in Cisleithania and present Austria were 100 % German .
There were at the end of the 19th century in the whole A-H Empire 4,5 % of the population listed as religious Jews. There are no figures for the big number of secular and assimilated Jews, for the Halbjude, Vierteljude,etc
It is the same for the Slavic population of whom a big number declared to speak German and thus were listed as german, Germans .

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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by Hans1906 » 04 May 2022 18:07

You're getting on my German "Sack" with your quote orgies, what's the point, that Hitler was an Austrian?

With only one egg in his scrotum, what's next, pull yourself together, it's all useless!

You can all put your quote orgies where no sun shines... :idea:
The best place for this endless nonsense.


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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by ljadw » 04 May 2022 20:01

The following is from Constructing Nationalities in East Central Europe P 16
''As late as 1945 the terms ''Czech '' and '' German '' means little in terms of many people's experience,particularly in cases of so-called mixed marriage or where their bilingualism had enabled individuals at different times to claim allegiance to both sides.''
If this was so in 1945, it was the more so in 1889,so that we can throw away the stories that all German speaking people in present Austria or present Czechia were or '' ethnic'' Germans or'' ethnic ''Czechs .
''Ethnic ''Czechs married '' ethnic'' Germans and they or their children ceased to be'' ethnic'' Czechs or ''ethnic ''Germans or they never were ''ethnic'' Czechs or ''ethnic '' Germans .

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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by George L Gregory » 04 May 2022 20:55

Hans1906 wrote:
04 May 2022 18:07
You're getting on my German "Sack" with your quote orgies, what's the point, that Hitler was an Austrian?

With only one egg in his scrotum, what's next, pull yourself together, it's all useless!

You can all put your quote orgies where no sun shines... :idea:
The best place for this endless nonsense.


Hans
Hey Hans,

I agree with you 100%.

ljadw Is trolling this thread and that’s why it’s pointless giving the man in his 70s who is evidently a few sandwiches short of a picnic the time of day.

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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by George L Gregory » 04 May 2022 21:07

ljadw wrote:
04 May 2022 14:30
You said that language did matter in ethnicity .
It is a part of what defines an ethnic group. It is NOT the ONLY thing. For someone who doesn’t even think an ethnic group exists, how many times do you need to read the following “SOMEONE SPEAKING A LANGUAGE DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE OR SHE BELONGS TO THE SAID ETHNIC GRPUP” before it finally sinks in for crying out loud? An ethnic Chinese person speaking Hindi isn’t an ethnic Indian (of which there are plenty of Indian ethnic groups), an ethnic Dutch person speaking French isn’t an ethnic French, etc. WHAT ARE YOU FINDING SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?
The name of Hitler's paternal grandfather does matter because if he was Slavic,that would debunk the claim from the Nazis that Hitler was of german blood ,german blood being also as irrelevant and meaningless as being an ethnic German .
Slavs were considered to be Ariana (of related blood). Also, in March 1939, Karl Frank defined a "German national" as:
Whoever professes himself to be a member of the German nation is a member of the German nation, provided that this profession is confirmed by certain facts, such as language, upbringing, culture, etc. Persons of alien blood, particularly Jews, are never Germans. . . . Because professing to be a member of the German nation is of vital significance, even someone who is partly or completely of another race—Czech, Slovak, Ukrainian, Hungarian, or Polish, for example—can be considered a German. Any more precise elaboration of the term "German national" is not possible given current relationships.
You don’t have a clue about what you are attempting to discuss here.
About language : Otto Preminger (well known cineast ) spoke German ( as native language ? or as colloquial language ?) but that does not make him a German,or german .
He was the son of Jewish parents ( which does not make him Jewish ) and born in Bukovina, not in present Austria and became an Austrian citizen only after 1918 .
The mother of Fritz Lang had Jewish ancestors but converted to Catholicism before his birth ,that makes Fritz not Jewish .
The grandfather of Trump was a German immigrant, that does not make him a German,or german .
Ancestors or language do not matter in what is wrongly called ''ethnicity ''.
A person born to Jewish parents is ethnically Jewish. It’s really not that difficult to understand.

So what term shall we use instead of ‘ethnicity’ Mr. Know It All?
For me it is totally irrelevant if the grandfather of Hitler was Slavic,because Hitler being a German, german ,has nothing to do with his ancestry .
But for those who are talking about Hitler's german blood, it is important ,as in their vision someone with a Slavic grandfather could not be a German, could not be german .
Lavrov made the same mistake : he said that Hitler had ( a little ) Jewish blood .
1 This is not proved
2 It is irrelevant as having Jewish blood ( how much ?) does not make you Jewish and not having german blood does not make you non Jewish .
There’s no evidence Hitler had any Slavic or Jewish ancestors. He was as far as know completely ethnically German. A family tree was published and all of his ancestors were Austrian Germans from more or less the same area. Stop trying to rewrite history.

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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by George L Gregory » 04 May 2022 21:08

ljadw wrote:
04 May 2022 17:39
''As far as we can check '' : we don't know who was his paternal grandfather ,thus we don't know anything .Thus to say that he was an ''ethnic ''German is unproved .
I never said that Hitler was not German,or that he was jewish, czech, slavic .
I am saying
a Those who argue that he was 100 % German have no proofs for this .
b Given the mass immigration to Cisleithania and present Austria of Jew listed people and of Slavic listed people and given the mixed marriages between German listed people, Jew listed people, Slavic listed people, it is impossible to say that Hitler and ALL German listed people in Cisleithania and present Austria were 100 % German .
There were at the end of the 19th century in the whole A-H Empire 4,5 % of the population listed as religious Jews. There are no figures for the big number of secular and assimilated Jews, for the Halbjude, Vierteljude,etc
It is the same for the Slavic population of whom a big number declared to speak German and thus were listed as german, Germans .
There’s no evidence that Hitler had any other ancestry apart from Austrian Germans in his family tree.

Better luck next time.

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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by George L Gregory » 04 May 2022 21:14

&ljadw

1. What word should be used instead of ‘ethnicity’ to describe someone’s ancestry?

2. Who was a German prior to 1871 (the year that Germany became a nation-state)?

3. Who is a German?

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Re: Why did the Nazis claim that Adolf Hitler was German?

Post by Ivan Ž. » 04 May 2022 21:40

George L Gregory wrote:
04 May 2022 21:07
[to ljadw] WHAT ARE YOU FINDING SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?
It was this sign that you used: =/= (post 111). Not everyone knows what it means. He thought it meant "equals" (post 136).

You guys made a real circus of this topic and I have no idea what kind of satisfaction any one of you gets from it.

If you're testing how childish and inconsiderate of each other you can get, one can safely say that it's a tie. Whatever it is, it's a sad display.

I wish you all a good night and a nicer mood onwards.
Ivan

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