wm wrote: ↑
11 Jan 2022 21:21
Very weak and ancient examples from entirely different times.
I'm flabbergasted that Adam and Eve weren't mentioned.
And the last example is false.
"France looked" not because they "looked" but because French diplomacy was so disorganized and inept they weren't able to respond quickly.
btw it was "If Russia is attacked by Germany" in the treaty - which actually didn't happen.
Russia attacked Germany.
So what are you complaining about precisely?
I am not complaining .
And :your knowledge about WW 1 is lacking : it was Germany that declared war on Russia, not the opposite .
About France : your claim that the French diplomacy was inept and disorganized is an unproved opinion :French diplomacy was not inept and not disorganized : it had a treaty with Russia of which the meaning was that Russia would help France if France was attacked by Germany, not the opposite . A war between Russia and Germany ,whatever would be the outcome,was very good for France . The same as a war between Poland and Germany .It were only the media and the woke public opinion that forced France to declare war on Germany on 3 September 1939 .
That the examples were from other times,is irrelevant .Realistic diplomacy = realpolitik and is still used today .When Nixon and Kissinger went to Peking, they threw Taiwan under the bus, because better relations with Peking were better for the US than the alliance with Taiwan .
The occupation of a part of Poland was good for the USSR,thus one the wokes in the West and even the Poles should not whine about it .
In 1944 and in 1948 Stalin abandoned the Greek communists,because this served the Soviet interests .
Certain people in France were drinking champagne after the defeat of Poland,between the existence of a Polish state prevented an alliance between France and the USSR .
Poland did not attack Czechoslovakia,because such an attack was not in its interests . If it was,Poland would have done it .
The only one who could prevent a German attack on Poland was Stalin,and he had no reason to do it .He was looking for whom who would give him a bigger reward.
The only one who could prevent an inevitable Polish defeat was also Stalin,but Poland refused,wisely,a possible Russian intervention .
The moment Hitler took the decision to attack Poland, the dies were cast :finis Poloniae .If Hitler won, he would remain in Warsaw, if Stalin won ,he would remain in Warsaw .
Thus the Polish complains that other people were to blame for their misfortunes,are, although comprehensible, based on nothing :no one had an obligation to prevent the misfortunes of Poland and no one could prevent them.
At the start of the first war against Iraq,old Bush accepted the help of Syria, because it was in his interests .At the end he incited the Kurds to revolt against Saddam ,but gave Saddam total liberty to crush them , because a Kurdish state was not in the interests of the US . Was old Bush to blame ? No : he had no obligations to the Kurds but only to the American people .