gebhk wrote: ↑
15 May 2021 14:05
If it were lies, which they were not, the Poles had no objection to these lies ,which invalidate your point .
Ermm, do I understand your argument right here? If I lie to you and you believe me that means I haven't lied? Or perhaps it makes it morally OK? That's a new defence against an accusation of fraud I've never heard of. I'm surprised the layers haven't cottoned onto that one....
And vide my above post, we will probably never know what was said in private so unless you have the gift of second sight, you are not in position to categorically say there were no lies.
As for your assertion that the Poles had no objection to 'these lies' (your words not mine), where is the evidence? Presumably the reason that the negotiations on the political treaty dragged on was not because the Poles were unhappy with the terms but because the participants were so deliriously happy at their work that they couldn't bear to put an end to it?
The evidence is that the Poles did not complain and did not ask for clarifications, although the text was written in that way that one could interpret him like you will .Which is the custom in international diplomacy .
When Kasprzycki was going to France , the reality was that the wrong-called French-Polish alliance was dead, dormant, in abeyance,moribund,..since 1929 ,when the French had decided hat this alliance was too dangerous, not helpful for France and that they did not need allies to survive .
The alliance of 1921 was a defensive alliance and said that an attack on Poland ( by Russia ?) would make France to keep lines of communications free and Germany in check but not require it to send troops or to declare war .About the Convention of 1939 :
from the same souce P 833
III :A línverse, si le gros des forces allemandes attaque sur la France,en particulier par la Belgique ou la Suisse,ce qui provoquerait l'éntrée en action des armées francaises,l'armée polonaise s'efforcera de maintenir devant elle le maximum possible de forces allemandes,dans les conditions générales envisagées entre les deux Commandements .
Rough translation : if the majority of the German forces attacks France, especially through Belgium or Switzerland,with as result start of the fighting by France,the Polish army will try to hold as much as German forces,in the general conditions and terms examined by both general staffs .
If France was attacked Poland would try to hold as much as possible German forces !
And who would say how many German divisions the Poles could tie ? Poland .Not France .
If Poland was attacked, France would do what it could do to help Poland . And who would say what France could do ? France, not Poland .
Poland promised to do a little, but would do nothing .
France promised to do a little , but did a little .
Who lied ?
NO ONE .
Both countries gave each other all latitude to do as little or as much as they wanted .