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Question 88

Post by Alexander B. » 24 Oct 2019 23:23

Hello Everyone,

Sorry for the delay. I have to admit I've been scratching my head as to what kind of question I can ask!

I've ended up prepared something which I think is quite fun; along the lines of Ivan's previous question.

Here is a recording of a "mystery march" from my collection which I've recorded using a period appropriate phonograph for a little added challenge and pizzazz



My question is as followed:

1. Which famous march is this?

2. Who composed it?

3. This march is known today under a different title than it originally was, what was it originally titled?

4. For bonus points: Which famous manufacturer was this recording produced by?

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Re: Question 88

Post by Tretyak » 26 Oct 2019 12:13

Hello, Alexander!

1. Gruß an Kiel
2. Friedrich Spohr
3. ?
4. ?
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Re: Question 88

Post by Alexander B. » 26 Oct 2019 13:37

Hello Egor,

Thank you for participating! You are correct! Congratulations!

Can anyone get question 3? I think question 4 is a little too hard to answer seeing as so many recordings of GaK exist, which is why its only a bonus, so if we can find the answer to 3, we'll call the question finished!

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Re: Question 88

Post by Ivan Ž. » 26 Oct 2019 14:53

Question 3: It's some mistake. The German title was and remains "Gruß an Kiel". However - in Switzerland - it's known as "Zofinger Marsch".

Question 4: Deutsche Grammophon AG (conducted by Joseph Snaga, Berlin, Hochschule für Musik, 1928).

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Re: Question 88

Post by Alexander B. » 26 Oct 2019 16:35

Hello Ivan,

Over question 3: Was it not originally penned under the name of "Husaren-Freuden" by Spohr when it was first composed in 1864? I have read this in several places, notably on a number of CD's, but have yet to uncover a reference source for this tidbit. What can you say to this? Maybe its bad information spreading!

Over question 4: Congratulations, correct! You are a living lexicon!

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Re: Question 88

Post by Ivan Ž. » 26 Oct 2019 23:58

Hello, Alex

Because of the way you phrased it (This march is known today...), I was under the impression that you thought that the march was renamed in more recent years/decades and that you might have mistaken the (old but still used) Swiss title for an alternative German title. As for the "Husaren-Freuden" title, I've seen it mentioned only once, on an LP (at least as far as I remember). Not claiming that the title was not briefly used or perhaps only meant to be used, but I've never found a reliable source mentioning it. On the other hand, I've seen the "Gruß an Kiel" title listed in catalogs from (minimum) 1883 onwards.

OK - over to Egor! :)

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Re: Question 88

Post by Ivan Ž. » 23 Nov 2019 16:22

Tretyak wrote:
26 Oct 2019 12:13
Gruß an Kiel
A reminder, Egor: it's your turn to post a question.

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Question 89

Post by Tretyak » 24 Nov 2019 17:08

Oh, i'm very sorry, I've completely forgot about this! :( So, here is the question: there are two marches named almost identically after a type of German infantry and written by Waffen-SS members. We don't know much about one of authors, however, the other is well known for his musical activity. Name both authors and their marches.

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Re: Question 89

Post by Ivan Ž. » 24 Nov 2019 18:36

"Deutsche Panzergrenadiere" by H. Müller-John and "Panzergrenadiere" by G. A. Bunge.

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Re: Question 89

Post by Tretyak » 24 Nov 2019 20:18

Yes, absolutely right! :milwink:

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Question 90

Post by Ivan Ž. » 26 Nov 2019 00:22

A new one: guess the title of the song! (Optionally, guess the title of the march it was cut from.)



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Re: Question 90

Post by Teppeny » 26 Nov 2019 18:28

I know that the melodie is "Musketier' sind lust'ge Brüder" but I have no clue of this song, the far I undestood is "Unser Hauptmann..."

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Re: Question 90

Post by Ivan Ž. » 26 Nov 2019 19:00

Teppeny wrote:
26 Nov 2019 18:28
I know that the melodie is "Musketier' sind lust'ge Brüder" but I have no clue of this song, the far I undestood is "Unser Hauptmann..."
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It is indeed the folk song "Musketier' sind lust'ge Brüder" (also known as "Siegreich woll'n wir Frankreich schlagen"), cut from Gustav Gnauck's march "Soldatenmut", a recording from 1940 by Hans Teichmann's band. It's the 2nd strophe: "Unser Hauptmann steigt zu Pferde, führt uns in das Feld. Siegreich woll'n wir Frankreich schlagen, sterben als ein tapfrer Held."

Being tied to the Franco-Prussian war (1870), the old "Musketier' sind lust'ge Brüder" song was repopularised during the invasion of France (1940). Composer Herms Niel used its melody in two of his war campaign songs: as closing tune in "Kamerad, wir marschieren im Westen!" (Frankreichlied) and as trio in "Gegen Briten und Franzosen" (Marsch nach der Melodie: Siegreich woll'n wir Frankreich schlagen). Teichmann's band recorded the old Gnauck's and the new Niel's compositions in one recording session, dedicated to the invasion of France.

As I wrote before - war and propaganda songs are not just music, as ignorant people often like to "think" and claim. There's much symbolism and hidden messages in them, above all the reminders of past conflicts with a certain nation, whose purpose is to reawake old enmity and hatred.

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Question 91

Post by Teppeny » 07 Dec 2019 22:19

Hello, sorry for the late reply, I had a problem with my computer.
https://youtu.be/dW9gl9DcgpU
What is the name of the melody of this french boy scout song ? It's very easy, I don't have inspiration.

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Re: Question 91

Post by Auceps » 09 Dec 2019 18:58

Hello,

it's 'Als die gold'ne Abendsonne'. :)

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