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Re: Bauformen

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Jan 2012 11:45

Wauw if that man would co operate here it would be of a great value
Wenn i ask if his plans were good its not for offending him simply a question l
we all know the french SHM and the belgian army plans are not that good with the drawnings....
He can explain things on the eastern front for the Tobruks Maybe we can ask him pictures?
I m think i ll now that plan Tobruk in rocks
I ve have it somewhere...
Gonna search

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Re: Bauformen

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 12 Jan 2012 11:51

dirk Peeters wrote:Wauw if that man would co operate here it would be of a great value
Wenn i ask if his plans were good its not for offending him simply a question l
we all know the french SHM and the belgian army plans are not that good with the drawnings....
He can explain things on the eastern front for the Tobruks Maybe we can ask him pictures?
I m think i ll now that plan Tobruk in rocks
I ve have it somewhere...
Gonna search
As far as I know this men is retired according to bunker hobby.
But he still has knowledge and references.
I'll see what can be done with him.


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Re: Bauformen

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Jan 2012 12:05

Ringstanden 19 08 1943 (20) - ACDSee 10 Photo Manager.jpg
Is it this you want ?
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Re: Bauformen

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 12 Jan 2012 12:56

dirk Peeters wrote:
Ringstanden 19 08 1943 (20) - ACDSee 10 Photo Manager.jpg
Is it this you want ?
Dirk
Not exactly: I thought about Tobruk built in rocks.
But this is OK too! It's good to see it in construction details.

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Re: Bauformen

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Jan 2012 13:20

we ll search but i have a lot ... and that doc isn t classified ... i ll know another werhe yoy can see a Tobruk but can t find it

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Re: Bauformen

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Jan 2012 16:19

For Bunkerman
Wijk aan zee it has the same Tobruk you have found for me also type Bf 58c

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Re: Bauformen

Post by wimve » 13 Jan 2012 11:28

I start loosing connection here but, looks like this is also a 58C this time with "Bettgestel"
MCH 2367 - Bauform 58 mit Bettgestell u Ofen_web.jpg
If I am in the wrong topic please feel free to move it...

Mind you there is a dimension problem but I forgot where.
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Re: Bauformen

Post by dirk Peeters » 13 Jan 2012 11:31

Yes a genuine Bf 58c with great room
There are two versions but lest cool it down a bit not all at the same time
W e will work it all out

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Re: Bauformen

Post by dirk Peeters » 13 Jan 2012 11:31

Yes a genuine Bf 58c with great room
There are two versions but lest cool it down a bit not all at the same time
W e will work it all out

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Re: Bauformen

Post by wimve » 13 Jan 2012 16:15

dirk Peeters wrote:Yes a genuine Bf 58c with great room
There are two versions but lest cool it down a bit not all at the same time
W e will work it all out
Sounds good but you may take a look at this forum too. I came across it by accident (as far that is possible)
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Re: Bauformen

Post by dirk Peeters » 14 Jan 2012 09:58

For Andrew
Fels imbau forum.jpg
here i found a Tobruk 58d with a drawning for construction in rocksy bottom
i ll think they re used here an old drawning because the "felsimbau" is not mentioned
Can our norvegian friens shed any light? Is this sort of Tobruk constructed in Norway ?
In France it is extremely rare
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Re: Bauformen

Post by dirk Peeters » 14 Jan 2012 11:23

For Andrew
Fels imbau (2) - ACDSee 10 Photo Manager.jpg
Finally i have found it but with the help of Jos
H e ll know my archive better than me .....
Is it this you are looking for ?
Anybody know where these are constructed ? i ll think not easy to see if it can be seen at all...
PS this is a Bf 58c
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Re: Bauformen

Post by dirk Peeters » 14 Jan 2012 11:25

looks that its made for Norway
Does any of you know more documents for these Tobruks there ?

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Re: Bauformen

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 14 Jan 2012 13:59

dirk Peeters wrote:For Andrew
Fels imbau (2) - ACDSee 10 Photo Manager.jpg
Finally i have found it but with the help of Jos
H e ll know my archive better than me .....
Is it this you are looking for ?
Anybody know where these are constructed ? i ll think not easy to see if it can be seen at all...
PS this is a Bf 58c
Hello Dirk,

Yes it's what I've been looking for - Thanks a lot! :milsmile: :milsmile: :milsmile:
Very interesting drawings with details 'how to built'

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Re: Bauformen

Post by TUS » 31 Jan 2012 18:49

dirk Peeters wrote:Can you give me a photograph of the door please and teh place were it is found?
We are sure that the entrance on the side or in the back also won t change the type....
Dirk
Here you go Dirk :)
This special one is located app 1 km south of Nymindegab. The entrance is placed "low" and another detail is the access to the Tobruk is placed in the centre of the 200cm x 200cm crew room.
I just think these small variations are done as a result of strategically conclusions varying from site to site, location to location and from Pionier to Pionier.
So in my world still a 58c...

I have always defined the early VF8 to be recognisable by its high entrance and only 1 step to the Tobruk. Or am I way off?
@ndrew wrote: Thanks-I like this 'primitive' overview :)
And Thanks Andrzej :D

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