Richard Wagner (1813-1883)

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Post by Panzerspitze » 18 Aug 2017 22:52

[Split from Unidentified radio/newsreel music]

This sounds like a Liszt or Wagner piece, but I can't quite identify it. Prometheus? Les Preludes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVu5F7DJYlg

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 22 Aug 2017 18:39

It's the best stormy-sea-music ever composed: overture to "Der fliegende Holländer" by R. Wagner.

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Post by Panzerspitze » 22 Aug 2017 23:50

Thanks!

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Post by nibelung1876 » 20 Jan 2019 18:30

[Split from Bayreuther Festspiele]

Would like to add that despite the many Jewish Wagnerians, Wagner is still blamed by a lot of people for the Holocaust (while he died in 1883).
Yes it's true, Wagner was notoriously anti-Semitic, but in those days, almost everybody was, and not only Germans.
The dark shadow over Wagner's person and his work started with a very anti-Semitic essay of him "Das Judenthum in der Musik" (Judaïsm in Music), published in a music journal in 1850.
Later on, in 1869, published in bookform of which i have a first edition.
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Post by P.J. Gray » 21 Jan 2019 20:46

An essay I first read ten years ago in translation, the original later, but I have never seen the original edition before. My thanks again, sincerely.
„Ja, die Welt ist nur ein Leierkasten,
den unser Herrgott selber dreht.
Jeder muß nach dem Liede tanzen,
das gerade auf der Walze steht.“

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Post by nibelung1876 » 28 Jan 2019 20:41

My pleasure! :thumbsup:

And here's a 1942 newsreel with the ouverture of "Rienzi" playing in the background.
This ouverture was always used by Hitler to open the Nürnberg Party rallies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbfq3_Y8kQE

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 09 Feb 2020 01:05

Some nice images of Wagner, taken by Ludwig Angerer in Vienna, 1862.

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Popularity of Richard Wagner's music in the Reich

Post by Cantankerous » 27 Jun 2020 01:49

How popular were the musical works of German composer Richard Wagner in Nazi Germany, considering that Wagner was anti-Semitic and one of Wagner's songs was played on the Reichssender Hamburg radio station prior to that radio station announcing Hitler's death?

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 08 Jul 2020 00:18

Hello, Cantankerous

I've merged your question with an older thread dealing with the same composer, feel free to browse through. Also check the Bayreuther Festspiele topic. Needless to say, Wagner's anti-Semitism was/is the last reason for his popularity, as a number of Jewish conductors who performed and continue performing his music would surely confirm.

Regarding Hitler's death announcement music, see the topic of the same name (besides Wagner's, they played pieces by Weber and Bruckner, and concluded with the national anthem).

I've removed your "There is a theory..." post, since this is not a place for unsubstantiated theories. Please (re-)read the forum rules.

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Re: Richard Wagner (1813-1883)

Post by J. Duncan » 05 Mar 2021 01:09

For those interested in Wagner , I just finished a very interesting book titled “Wagnerism” by Alex Ross. It’s an extremely erudite and entertaining book on Wagner’s influence on many artists and writers of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. There is much on Chamberlain / Hitler of course, but also W. E. B. Dubois, Salvador Dali, Thomas Mann, Josephin Peladan, George Bernard Shaw, Wagner and homosexuals, occultism, feminism, left- wing movements as well as right - wing. It seems there was a “Wagner” for every kind of movement or “ism” . I liked the book and thought others would be interested.

There is a nice discussion on Wagner between author Alex Ross and UK Wagnerite Stephen Fry:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KJinipl0w0E

Fry (who is Jewish and gay) did a nifty film on his personal experience with his love of Wagner titled “Wagner and Me”. 👏 Bravo Mr. Fry.:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri8hYMSB2u8

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Re: Richard Wagner (1813-1883)

Post by Wessel » 07 Mar 2021 15:25

Two more interesting books for those interested in Wagner. The Magee one has been mentioned in a previous post and this concentrates on the influences on Wagner, especially that by Friedrich Nietzsche.
The book by Scruton dissects the Ring Cycle and details the symbolism contained in it.
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Post by J. Duncan » 07 Mar 2021 20:04

Good books all. Sadly, Roger Scruton passed away
January 2020.

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Re: Richard Wagner (1813-1883)

Post by Hans1906 » 08 Mar 2021 15:59

Another internet article about Richard Wagner here in Wiesbaden:

Villa Wagner – Biebrich a. Rhein https://herrrothwandertwieder.de/villa- ... -mai-2019/

History, just around the next corner, by the way, in Wagner's time, the very best location, directly on the Rhine, little has changed, some live, others stick... :roll: :lol:


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P.S. Building and location are already impressive, even today, should have seen once...

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Post by J. Duncan » 10 Mar 2021 00:57

Wow. Didn’t know Wagner spent time here.
Interesting. I have some very rare Wagneriania (photo books) that pinpoint some of his haunts. I’ll have to see if they mention this particular place.

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Re: Richard Wagner (1813-1883)

Post by Ivan Ž. » 10 Mar 2021 01:08

J. Duncan wrote:
05 Mar 2021 01:09
Fry (who is Jewish and gay) did a nifty film on his personal experience with his love of Wagner titled “Wagner and Me”. 👏 Bravo Mr. Fry.:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri8hYMSB2u8
Watched it three-four times ;) A well-made documentary indeed. I particularly liked his stained-tapestry comparison at the end.

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