My "Hitler's Bayreuth" collection

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Re: My "Hitler's Bayreuth" collection

Post by GoeringsPetLion » 13 Apr 2020 20:20

Interesting compilation of artefacts.

Winifred Wagner said in her interview with Hans-Jürgen Syberberg, "Occasionally we did allow ourselves a little joke. I remember, in Act 2 of Götterdämmerung in the men's chorus we imitated some of the prominent people of the time. For instance, we had a Goebbels and a Göring." (https://youtu.be/NVRxOPZ1k2Y?t=6187) I wonder if there are photos of this performance.

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Re: My "Hitler's Bayreuth" collection

Post by Ivan Ž. » 11 May 2020 11:01

nibelung1876 wrote:
11 Feb 2019 21:18
Didn't know about this "Nibelungenmarsch", and the interesting history behind it.
Loved it so much, i searched, found and bought immediately the record (Electrola EG 2653).
nibelung1876 wrote:
01 Feb 2020 16:59
Hi guys,
adapted and in particular...expanded:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KW1_W ... 2KaVAONVfR
My Odeon gramophone with a 1936 Telefunken recording of the Nibelungen Marsch on it, conducted by Wehrmacht Obermusikmeister Adolf Berdien.
Hello, Glenn

A couple of notes that I forgot to post earlier: both Electrola and Telefunken (originally Ultraphon) recordings of the "Nibelungenmarsch" actually pre-date Hitler's Germany. The Electrola recording was made in Aug./Sept. 1932 and the Ultraphon/Telefunken's was made in Jan. 1931, both by Reichswehr musicians. They were re-released during the Third Reich too, but the recordings themselves originate from the Weimar Republic. Both were also re-released after WWII, with the military bands "demilitarised" and credited as "Großes Blasorchester".

The true Third Reich recordings of this march aren't really common; I know of only three of them:
- by the band of the Leibstandarte-SS "Adolf Hitler", recorded in Jan. 1935, released on Grammophon E 10336 and Polydor 2 17313
- by the band of the Leibstandarte-SS "Adolf Hitler", recorded in Aug./Sept. 1935, released on Kristall 2129
- by an unknown civilian band (credited as "Großes Odeon-Orchester"), recorded in Dec. 1937, released on Odeon O-26001 and O-26117

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Ivan

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Re: My "Hitler's Bayreuth" collection

Post by nibelung1876 » 13 May 2020 14:09

Hello Ivan,
Thank You so much for Your expertise!
So if I understand correctly my Electrola record is post war because of the demilitarised “Großes Blasorchester”.
And my Telefunken record is of 1931 conducted by Reichswehr (at that time) conductor Adolf Berdien and “Großes Militär-Orchester”.
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Re: My "Hitler's Bayreuth" collection

Post by Ivan Ž. » 14 May 2020 11:43

Hello, Glenn

That's correct. The original Electrola EG 2653 record, recorded and released at the end of the Weimar Republic period and re-released during the Third Reich period, had the following performer-credits: "Militär-Orchester, Dirigent: Heeresmusikinspizient Schmidt". After the war, when militarism was being suppressed in Germany, that was changed to "Großes Blasorchester Hermann Schmidt". So, what you have there is a post-WWII release of a Weimar recording (another quick indicator of a postwar release is the company's location at the bottom of the label; Electrola was partially moved to Nuremberg only after the war; previously, it was located in Berlin and, until 1932, in Nowawes near Potsdam). It is unknown which military band made the recording; it's possible that it was one of the battalion bands of the 9th (Prussian) Infantry Regiment.

The Ultraphon recording was made and released in 1931, on the Ultraphon A 849 record. After the Telefunken company acquired the Ultraphon company's matrices (March 1932), the recording was re-released on Telefunken A 849 (late Weimar Republic period and the Third Reich period). The performer-credits were identical on both versions: "Großes Militär-Orchester, Dirigent: Obermusikmeister Adolf Berdien". After the war, that was changed to "Großes Blasorchester" (no conductor credited). So, your record is either a Third Reich or a late Weimar release of a Weimar recording. The performing orchestra was the band of the III Battalion, 9th (Prussian) Infantry Regiment, which Berdien conducted for many years.

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Check out this topic-related post too viewtopic.php?f=81&t=129087&start=180#p2267965

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Re: My "Hitler's Bayreuth" collection

Post by nibelung1876 » 18 May 2020 09:04

Thank You Ivan for sharing Your encyclopedic knowledge, very impressive.
I have changed it in my presentation ;-)

Greetings, Glenn.

Amazing Rienzi Schellack!

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Popularity of Richard Wagner's music in the Reich

Post by Cantankerous » 27 Jun 2020 01:49

How popular were the musical works of German composer Richard Wagner in Nazi Germany, considering that Wagner was anti-Semitic and one of Wagner's songs was played on the Reichssender Hamburg radio station prior to that radio station announcing Hitler's death?

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Re: Popularity of Richard Wagner's music in the Reich

Post by Ivan Ž. » 27 Jun 2020 02:07

Hello, Cantankerous

I've merged your question with an older thread dealing with the same subject, feel free to browse through. Needless to say, Wagner's anti-Semitism was/is the last reason for his popularity, as a number of Jewish conductors who performed and continue performing his music would surely confirm. Regarding Hitler's death announcement music, see the topic of the same name (besides Wagner's, they played pieces by Weber and Bruckner, and concluded with the national anthem).

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I've removed your "There is a theory..." post, since this is not a place for unsubstantiated theories. Please (re-)read the forum rules.

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