[photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

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[photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 06 Jun 2020 01:21

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Geli Raubal and ????

I have an idea, but i prefer waiting your adwise.
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Re: [photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by von thoma » 06 Jun 2020 02:08

Geli Raubal is not present here....
A faulty ID is dragging on this picture.
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Re: [photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by Helly Angel » 07 Jun 2020 01:56

DavidFrankenberg wrote:
06 Jun 2020 01:21
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Geli Raubal and ????

I have an idea, but i prefer waiting your adwise.
A BDM girl in winter jacket uniform since the left and a civilian woman at the right. Geli Raubal is not in that picture.

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Re: [photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 08 Jun 2020 18:42

She is identified as Geli Raubal here https://theowlcriminology.wordpress.com ... tive-show/ and there https://youtu.be/sTTBmuuP3P4?t=27 and there https://www.tutorialathome.in/gk/hitler ... eli-raubal and here https://ciekawostkihistoryczne.pl/2019/ ... strzenica/ etc.

She looks very similar to this girl with long double braids who is also identified as Geli Raubal here http://www.racontemoilhistoire.com/wp-c ... imae-2.jpg ?

She also has the same smile as Geli Raubal there, with a different haircut and much older too https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/ge ... d613463228

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Re: [photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by Helly Angel » 10 Jun 2020 07:10

DavidFrankenberg wrote:
08 Jun 2020 18:42
She is identified as Geli Raubal here https://theowlcriminology.wordpress.com ... tive-show/ and there https://youtu.be/sTTBmuuP3P4?t=27 and there https://www.tutorialathome.in/gk/hitler ... eli-raubal and here https://ciekawostkihistoryczne.pl/2019/ ... strzenica/ etc.

She looks very similar to this girl with long double braids who is also identified as Geli Raubal here http://www.racontemoilhistoire.com/wp-c ... imae-2.jpg ?

She also has the same smile as Geli Raubal there, with a different haircut and much older too https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/ge ... d613463228
1) Wrong identification, that´s girl is not Geli Raubal, is a teenager with BDM uniform (early jacket) and party pin, this picture was taken in the Baltic Sea the same year that Geli was dead. Even there are several pictures of Geli in the same baltic sea that year. (attached here) where you can see she was an adult that year, older than the girl.

2) The girl in the second paragraph is a BDM in civil clothes who is NOT Geli or the girl of the Beach, she is a autograph hunter, that picture was taken by Heinrich Hoffmann in the Berghof and he commented that in his memories, first she was in the picture with Hitler and after she returned with the picture looking for an autograph in the picture. Is younger that Geli even.

3) The girl in the getty picture is Geli and is obvious is not the same little girl in the picture 1, I mean the baltic sea picture with Hitler and the other woman, who were ocasional fans, BTW they are not in any other picture with Hitler, if you looking fo real pictures of Geli you can discover the differences.

The Id of the little girl in the Baltic Sea with Hitler is mistaken ID as Geli since a lot of time and those websites you used as references are wrong.

Greetings,
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Re: [photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by GregSingh » 10 Jun 2020 08:12

this picture was taken in the Baltic Sea
How do we know it is a Baltic Sea? In what year photo in question was actually taken?
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Re: [photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 10 Jun 2020 23:18

Helly Angel wrote:
10 Jun 2020 07:10
DavidFrankenberg wrote:
08 Jun 2020 18:42
She is identified as Geli Raubal here https://theowlcriminology.wordpress.com ... tive-show/ and there https://youtu.be/sTTBmuuP3P4?t=27 and there https://www.tutorialathome.in/gk/hitler ... eli-raubal and here https://ciekawostkihistoryczne.pl/2019/ ... strzenica/ etc.

She looks very similar to this girl with long double braids who is also identified as Geli Raubal here http://www.racontemoilhistoire.com/wp-c ... imae-2.jpg ?

She also has the same smile as Geli Raubal there, with a different haircut and much older too https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/ge ... d613463228
1) Wrong identification, that´s girl is not Geli Raubal, is a teenager with BDM uniform (early jacket) and party pin, this picture was taken in the Baltic Sea the same year that Geli was dead. Even there are several pictures of Geli in the same baltic sea that year. (attached here) where you can see she was an adult that year, older than the girl.
How do you know the year of the photo ? and the place ? It could be a lake also.
2) The girl in the second paragraph is a BDM in civil clothes who is NOT Geli or the girl of the Beach, she is a autograph hunter, that picture was taken by Heinrich Hoffmann in the Berghof and he commented that in his memories, first she was in the picture with Hitler and after she returned with the picture looking for an autograph in the picture. Is younger that Geli even.
Allright. Thank you for Hoffmann reference.
3) The girl in the getty picture is Geli and is obvious is not the same little girl in the picture 1, I mean the baltic sea picture with Hitler and the other woman, who were ocasional fans, BTW they are not in any other picture with Hitler, if you looking fo real pictures of Geli you can discover the differences.
You may be right. But, i still imagine there is a possibility for a young Geli Raubal and a friend ?

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Re: [photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by Geoff Walden » 11 Jun 2020 19:19

Sorry, I don't see any resemblance to Geli in that photo at all.
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Re: [photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by Br. James » 11 Jun 2020 20:23

I agree, Geoff...that looks like a casual photo taken of Hitler and a couple of local people, as anyone might take when in the presence of a famous or noteworthy person. If taken today, it would probably be 'a selfie!'

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Re: [photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by hsa601 » 12 Jun 2020 17:16

The one on the left looks Jolly but not notable. The one on the right I would not like to meet in a dark alley ;-)

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Re: [photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by Helly Angel » 15 Jun 2020 03:52

The jacket that the girl in the initial photo wears is the model worn by the Bund Deutscher Mädel association, she is obviously wearing a circular pin from the NSDAP, I doubt that she is a militant because due to her age she could not be a member of the party, rather It must be a propaganda pin. The jacket is the regulation adopted in 1933, since Geli was 2 years dead.

This same girl was photographed by Heinrich Hoffmann for his book "Jugend um Hitler" published in Germany in 1934. Geli was already 3 years old. I am attaching that photo of the same girl at another angle, to determine once and for all that it is not Geli. The legend of the page says "Youth of today". The initial photo was also published but I don't remember in which of Hoffmann's books. I attach another photo of Geli from another angle so that the users here can observe the bone structure and see the difference. Geli was never even a member of the BDM or the party.

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Re: [photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 16 Jun 2020 21:57

Helly Angel wrote:
15 Jun 2020 03:52
The jacket that the girl in the initial photo wears is the model worn by the Bund Deutscher Mädel association, she is obviously wearing a circular pin from the NSDAP, I doubt that she is a militant because due to her age she could not be a member of the party, rather It must be a propaganda pin. The jacket is the regulation adopted in 1933, since Geli was 2 years dead.

This same girl was photographed by Heinrich Hoffmann for his book "Jugend um Hitler" published in Germany in 1934. Geli was already 3 years old. I am attaching that photo of the same girl at another angle, to determine once and for all that it is not Geli. The legend of the page says "Youth of today". The initial photo was also published but I don't remember in which of Hoffmann's books. I attach another photo of Geli from another angle so that the users here can observe the bone structure and see the difference. Geli was never even a member of the BDM or the party.

Best regards,
Nice job Helly ! It is her.
Looks like the photo with Hitler was taklen the same day of the photo taken for the magazine.
So we can date the photo from 1933/1934.

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Re: [photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by Helly Angel » 17 Jun 2020 06:15

Greetings David!

We still have the challenge of identifying those two girls, maybe later the revelation of old photographic files can help us.

A hug,

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Re: [photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by Helge » 18 Jun 2020 06:56

The complete book- Part 1
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Re: [photo] Who is with Hitler there ?

Post by Helge » 18 Jun 2020 06:57

The complete book- Part 2
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