1945 Lost German girl

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by wirklich » 12 Mar 2022 05:03

That is much better, thank you Carlos.

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by Andy2D » 12 Mar 2022 06:29

Here are still shots from the GIF above showing frames where the face and uniform can be best seen. Note the resolution is only that of the GIF which will likely be lower than that of the original video. The only thing I've done is slightly change the colour balance as it was pushed too far on the cyan side (still is a bit I think).

For what it's worth, I don't think this person is the LGG. I don't think they are even female, but instead a young male. Their gait doesn't look female at all to me... but I'm no expert on that.
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by wirklich » 12 Mar 2022 09:10

They are both about the same build and height. The trouser legs do not look as baggy as Keilhose.

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by wirklich » 12 Mar 2022 10:21

In reference to Stello's pictures of the red book page 32 and 37.
The Germans made book protection sleeves for identification books.
Perhaps the yellow/gold line on Stello's picture is caused by the light reflecting on the stitching around a book sleeve.
download/file.php?id=272651
download/file.php?id=231379
Here are pictures of several protection sleeves.
https://www.ea-militaria.com/yellow-weh ... cover.html
https://www.ea-militaria.com/green-wehr ... leeve.html
https://www.ea-militaria.com/brown-wehr ... cover.html
https://www.ea-militaria.com/green-wehr ... leeve.html
https://www.germanmilitaria.com/Politic ... 39977.html
Stello's picture does show the distinctive red mottled color of one of the types of DAF books that were made.
I sent an email to a collector asking if he knew of a stitched protection sleeve that matched the red mottled color of the DAF book.

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by CarlosXander » 12 Mar 2022 18:19

Here is an image of another woman who only appears at the entrance of Rokycany in only 2 shots, I can't find more images of her and the little that is seen does not correspond to LGG's face
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by CarlosXander » 13 Mar 2022 15:29

hello
I recently came across a video of LGG where she is seen sitting next to others but in this video the image is enlarged a little more and you can see that she has some kind of stockings or socks or maybe (I don't think so) a shoe like a shoe, unfortunately the video is very dark and I try to improve it as best I can
I leave the link of the video below
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by CraigM » 14 Mar 2022 03:13

wirklich wrote:
09 Mar 2022 19:31

Hello
1. Is there a way to slow down the loop speed on the video?
2. Can you get a stop frame of their face when they are looking up?
3. can you get a stop frame that shows as much of their body and boots as possible?
The first time I saw this I thought the hair looks more feminine.
It looks like there is more on the crown and the side looks like it is pulled up and back.
You can watch and pause the original videos and even download your own copies from here (they're in the public domain, no copyright issues):

1. https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1003536 (the column of the walking wounded starts at time code 01:41:58 and ends at 01:43:01, with the couple in question appearing at 01:42:20:25)

2. https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1002547 (the column starts at the beginning and ends at 01:38:22, with the best shot of the couple in question appearing at 01:37:53:19).

As someone else has pointed out, there must have been at least two cameras shooting this column at the same time because they capture the same footage from different angles.

There are lots of people walking arm in arm or with arms around each other. That in itself doesn't identify a female. It would be interesting to hear from anyone that watches the extracts from both of these films and then tries to identify all of the females in it. Good luck!

The accompanying pictures are still from the two films.
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by wirklich » 14 Mar 2022 08:21

wirklich wrote:
20 Feb 2022 19:40
Their relationship (friends, boyfriend girlfriend...) cannot be determined. Many soldiers in the column are walking arm in arm like men and women do.
There are others that are afraid also. Look at the man on the right holding on to the sleeve of the man next to him.at the front of the column. He has to be pushed forward. 1:42:06:04
That was what I said on post 2245. 20 Feb.

This person is wearing different trousers (they are not as baggy as Keilhose), the sweater that is sticking out the shirt sleeve is not as black, and they are wearing marschstiefel boots. Most women are shorter than men and have wider hips. These 2 are about the same height and build.

I just wanted a closer look at the hair. It does look feminine to me. But that does not mean they are a woman.
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by Totenkomf » 14 Mar 2022 08:46

Yes, I agree with wirklich that if men are arm in arm/arms around each others shoulders, doesn't mean that they have romantic relationship. Like take those two SS Offiziers for an example:

:milwink:

Or these two gents:
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by wirklich » 14 Mar 2022 09:02

I think people back in this time period were more personal/different. Not just in Germany but in other countries too. You can find many pictures of men in military and civilian life posing like this before 1945. You don't see this much anymore. It reminds of when I was young and lived in Europe.
Many of the men in the column would not have made it, if their friend or someone they did not know did not help them along.
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by Totenkomf » 14 Mar 2022 09:13

wirklich wrote:
14 Mar 2022 09:02
I think people back in this time period were more personal/different. Not just in Germany but in other countries too. You can find many pictures of men in military and civilian life posing like this before 1945. You don't see this anymore.
Many of the men in the column would not have made it, if their friend or someone they did not know did not help them along.
Yes, exactly: like those two German Soldiers in that film arm in arm like they would tell one other: "See mein freund we survived this war together".
"Befehl ist Befehl"

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by wirklich » 14 Mar 2022 16:48

Totenkomf wrote:
14 Mar 2022 09:13
wirklich wrote:
14 Mar 2022 09:02
I think people back in this time period were more personal/different. Not just in Germany but in other countries too. You can find many pictures of men in military and civilian life posing like this before 1945. You don't see this anymore.
Many of the men in the column would not have made it, if their friend or someone they did not know did not help them along.
Yes, exactly: like those two German Soldiers in that film arm in arm like they would tell one other: "See mein freund we survived this war together".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jtV9p7gKBo

It is played for more than just soldiers now.

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by Totenkomf » 14 Mar 2022 17:08

wirklich wrote:
14 Mar 2022 16:48
Totenkomf wrote:
14 Mar 2022 09:13
wirklich wrote:
14 Mar 2022 09:02
I think people back in this time period were more personal/different. Not just in Germany but in other countries too. You can find many pictures of men in military and civilian life posing like this before 1945. You don't see this anymore.
Many of the men in the column would not have made it, if their friend or someone they did not know did not help them along.
Yes, exactly: like those two German Soldiers in that film arm in arm like they would tell one other: "See mein freund we survived this war together".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jtV9p7gKBo

It is played for more than just soldiers now.
I wonder for who's Honour it is played to?, the German soldiers who sacrificed their lives while fighting in the Wehrmacht?.
"Befehl ist Befehl"

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by wirklich » 15 Mar 2022 08:04

Totenkomf wrote:
14 Mar 2022 17:08
wirklich wrote:
14 Mar 2022 16:48
Totenkomf wrote:
14 Mar 2022 09:13
wirklich wrote:
14 Mar 2022 09:02
I think people back in this time period were more personal/different. Not just in Germany but in other countries too. You can find many pictures of men in military and civilian life posing like this before 1945. You don't see this anymore.
Many of the men in the column would not have made it, if their friend or someone they did not know did not help them along.
Yes, exactly: like those two German Soldiers in that film arm in arm like they would tell one other: "See mein freund we survived this war together".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jtV9p7gKBo

It is played for more than just soldiers now.
I wonder for who's Honour it is played to?, the German soldiers who sacrificed their lives while fighting in the Wehrmacht?.
It was for those who sacrificed their lives in the failed attempt to assassinate Hitler. Operation Valkyrie. 20. Juli 1944. The Memorial to the German Resistance in Berlin. They were executed near this spot.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Berlin.JPG

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by Totenkomf » 15 Mar 2022 08:07

wirklich wrote:
15 Mar 2022 08:04
Totenkomf wrote:
14 Mar 2022 17:08
wirklich wrote:
14 Mar 2022 16:48
Totenkomf wrote:
14 Mar 2022 09:13
wirklich wrote:
14 Mar 2022 09:02
I think people back in this time period were more personal/different. Not just in Germany but in other countries too. You can find many pictures of men in military and civilian life posing like this before 1945. You don't see this anymore.
Many of the men in the column would not have made it, if their friend or someone they did not know did not help them along.
Yes, exactly: like those two German Soldiers in that film arm in arm like they would tell one other: "See mein freund we survived this war together".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jtV9p7gKBo

It is played for more than just soldiers now.
I wonder for who's Honour it is played to?, the German soldiers who sacrificed their lives while fighting in the Wehrmacht?.
It was for those who sacrificed their lives in the failed attempt to assassinate Hitler. Operation Valkyrie. 20. Juli 1944. The Memorial to the German Resistance in Berlin. They were executed near this spot.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Berlin.JPG
Well it was then played for the memory of German army Officers executed on 21st of July, 1944..
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