1945 Lost German girl

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Post by CarlosXander » 10 Aug 2021 21:44

Bcc335 wrote:
26 Feb 2009 00:24
Update, received Shot sheet for 25 min film Liberation of Czechoslovakia. Original shot sheet confirms city being liberated in the film is indeed Pilsen,CZ (Plzen, CZ)

Shot sheet reads:
AAFCFS NO: CAN 9196-1, CCU NO: 4TH
Reel No: 3 of 5 (CONTINUED), Footage: 800, ORIG.16K ONLY, Date Photo'd: MAY 1945
TITLE: SFP 186-30

1) MS surrendered Germans as they use field stove to prepare food.
2) CS on very young German soldier.
3) Med Pan German troops on mess line--panning to German vehicles--trucks & tanks.
4) CS as soldier hands food out to German surrendered troops.
5) MS Germans as they eat food.
6) CS German soldier sleeping.
7) MS surrendered German vehicles and troops.
8) MS as American jeeps and trucks roll thru Czech border --and tanks.
9) MS Czech crowds waving in city of Pilsen.
10) LS as crowds run into streets to greet Americans.
11) CS and pan of crowd.
12) MS as ambulance car drives thru crowd at Pilsen, followed by other vehicles
13) CS on crowd as they cheer wildly
14) CS on Czech children as they cheer.

AAFCFS NO: CAN 9196-2, CCU NO: 4TH
Reel No: 3 of 5 (CONTINUED), Footage: 800, ORIG.16K ONLY, Date Photo'd: MAY 1945
TITLE: SFP 186-30
15) MCS as white Russians who fought for Germany surrender to American forces.
16) Another angle as they pass camera.
17) Closer shot as they pass
18) Close pan Russian on horseback.
19) LS of surrendered Russian troops as they come down the road
20) MS as German troops surrender.
21) Another angle as surrender trucks pass camera.
22) MS surrendring POles who were forced to fight for Nazis--as they pass camera.
23) MCS SS trooper dead in field.
24) Same-- another--these were killed by the Czechs.
25) Same--another trooper.
26 Same.
27) Same.
28) CS on wounded SS man.
29) CS on dead SS man.
30) Same.

AAFCFS NO: CAN 9196-3, CCU NO: 4TH
Reel No: 3 of 5 (CONTINUED), Footage: 800, ORIG.16 K ONLY, Date Photo'd: MAY 1945
TITLE: SFP 186-30

31) MS of SS troops killed by the Czechs.
32) VCSon face of SS trooper.
33) Another angle of same trooper as in sc. 32.
34) VCS on bloodied hand.
35) CS on SS trooper dead in dith.
36) Another trooper.
37) Same--another.
38) Same--another.
39) MS several dead SS troopers.
40) Another trooper dead.
41) Same
42) MS dying German soldier.
43) CS on dead German civilian
44) MCS as SS girl walks to camera.
45) CS of same--she is badly beaten up.
46) VCS on face as she asks for mercy.--panning down to trousers.
47) MCS badly wounded SS man.--as he looks at camera.
48) CS of same man.

AAFCFS NO: CAN 9196-4, CCU NO: 4TH
Reel No: 3 of 5 (CONTINUED), Footage: 800, ORIG.16K ONLY, Date Photo'd: MAY 1945
TITLE: SFP 186-30

49) MS as SS men are lined up next to road.
50) MS as GIs look at murdered SS boy on road.
51) MS as GI covers face of dead GErman soldier.
52) Pan shot from civilians to dead soldier.
53) MS as wounded Germans drive by on jeep.
54) CS children as they look at ground panning down.
55) MS as civilians spit on dead SS man.
56) Same.
57) MCS surrendered Germans and girl.
58) CS on German girl.
59) CS on another German girl.
60) MCS of feet of German soldiers as they pass panning up to long line of surrendered troops.
61) MS of American tank as it rolls along highway.
62) Same.
63) MS as German troops pass camera.-- surrendering panning down to feet.

AAFCFS NO: CAN 9196-5, CCU NO: 4TH
Reel No: 3 of 5 (CONTINUED), Footage: 800, ORIG.16K ONLY, Date Photo'd: MAY 1945
TITLE: SFP 186-30

64) MCS as American tank, jeep and half tracks roll past camera.
65) CS on tank as GIs wave to cameraman.
66) MLS as American trucks roll along highway.


The original blueprint sheets from Captain Oren W. Haglund's filming of the 25-minute film Liberation of Czechoslovakia
courtesy of National Archives and Records Administration

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where LGG appears
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A curious fact, the film was Declassified on July 23, 1951 but it took a long time for it to be seen (I think in 1974 in the document The World at War)

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by CarlosXander » 20 Aug 2021 21:24

Recently on the YouTube page CHRONOS-MEDIA History uploaded an edited and improved video with the title German Wehrmacht driving in to surrender near Prague (1945) where you can see (0.06 min) the group of Germans heading towards Rokycany, there a group of women appear who also appear in other videos
Video https://youtu.be/PIKGmaXmfCQ

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In that group apparently was LGG ..

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by Ghosh » 24 Aug 2021 08:38

What happened to her afterwards..I read somewhere she survived and got married and gave birth to two daughters

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by CarlosXander » 25 Aug 2021 21:01

No proof of that

I'm going to clear up the confusion on this topic a bit.

Most take as reference the blog aerial phenomena of Mr. Diego Rodríguez Peregrin in English 1945: The Lost Woman, where there is no explanation, but in his blog in Spanish 1945, La mujer perdida, there is the clarification that his work is a fiction

blog in english
http://aerialphenomena.blogspot.com/201 ... woman.html

blog in spanish
http://aerialphenomena.blogspot.com/201 ... rdida.html

in the english blog there is no explanation
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but without his blog in Spanish
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translation
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only in his You Tube page 1945: The Lost Woman makes a clarification that his work is a fiction although most take that video and not his page .. all this leads to confusion on the subject of LGG
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I hope it has clarified a bit the issue of what happened to LGG
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by Hans1906 » 07 Sep 2021 18:41

There is a five-part German TV documentary on this very subject, from the year 2020.

"Das Kriegsende in Farbe".

In it exactly all these scenes, which are endlessly discussed here in the forum.
Unfortunately, this five-part TV series is not currently online.

*A small excerpt from the series, for a first impression:

Kriegsende 1945 (unkommentiert & in Farbe) Zeitgeschichte live


I will make an effort to post the series here in its entirety....


Hans

P.S.All five parts are watchable, but unfortunately completely overlaid with the advertising of a German private station, pure nonsense!
My grandmother, and my mother were right there, 1945.
Es ist im Leben wichtig, viel zu wissen.
Manchmal ist es noch wichtiger, zu wissen, daß man nichts weiß.

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by CarlosXander » 07 Sep 2021 21:35

good contribution dear Hans
there are small unreleased footage from Czechoslovakia and one known from LGG
I'm still looking for part of the footage of the other cameraman who was with Haglund
Greetings

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by CarlosXander » 07 Sep 2021 23:01

Curiosity
in October of this year the book will come out
Válečné nálezy Ejpovice 1945, the index appears that there will be a section of LGG, so far I have not been able to contact the author, I do not know if there will be something new or will it be the ones that were investigated here ..
wait, greetings
place where you can get the book and there is a small summary
https://www.nasevojsko.eu/nasevojsko/es ... 13-10-2021

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by Hans1906 » 09 Sep 2021 14:49

there are small unreleased footage from Czechoslovakia and one known from LGG
I'm still looking for part of the footage of the other cameraman who was with Haglund
CarlosXander,

as I wrote to you before, this series of 4 or 5 documentaries is unfortunately not currently available Online.

Here a liitle info in german language: https://www.fernsehserien.de/das-kriegs ... de/0/46448
(Website does not load here here in Germany completely, sorry...)


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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by Hans1906 » 11 Sep 2021 11:31

Carlos,

helpful might be a search in the German "Forum der Wehrmacht". https://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de
A search for "tschechoslowakei 1945" throws up many interesting topics there.

The best of luck for your further researches! :milwink:


Hans

P.S. An older topic in the FdW about the "Lost German Girl", closed already in the year 2014:
Lost German Girl https://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/inde ... rman-girl/
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by CarlosXander » 11 Sep 2021 15:14

Hi hans
Thank you very much for the information, the truth is that on the German side I have hardly found material in reference to LGG, recently a youtuber gave me a page to locate German military personnel of that time, but I am missing an item to request an investigation As long as LGG is a military man, lately I am finding a clue that she was a civilian and not a military , if so, that page does not work for me but hey you have to keep looking
but thanks for your data
Cheers
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by Hans1906 » 11 Sep 2021 15:42

I think this little story will never be cleared up, how could it ?

The horror of the fleeing people at that time, goes hand in hand with the terror of the German regime before the surrender.
There are dozens of German language books on this very subject, the list would be too long here in this thread.
Mostly German post-war literature, which paints a very bad picture of the time.

I have two handfuls of these books in my personal family estate.
Personal memories can still be found in great quantity, also online.
Whether, all of that would be worth showing here again is another question entirely ?

I think not.


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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by CarlosXander » 11 Sep 2021 17:44

thanks Hans

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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by Hans1906 » 11 Sep 2021 18:07

You could contact the Sudeten German Landsmannschaft, perhaps one further reference.

Sudetendeutsche Landsmannschaft https://www.sudeten.de

Currently, unfortunately, I do not have a better answer...
(Very nice people, they will answer almost everything)


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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by CarlosXander » 11 Sep 2021 19:25

Hi Hans
the site on youtube Westfalen im Film · LWL was the one that gave me the page to search for German military people of that time, that page is called "Personenbezogene Unterlagen militärischer Herkunft bis 1945" was the only one that gave me some information
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Re: 1945 Lost German girl

Post by CarlosXander » 03 Oct 2021 21:12

Art

"German Girl on a Road, May ‘45" Galleri Sand
– Oil on canvas – 96” x 56” – 244 x 142 cm -
"lucky to survive the war, found themselves struggling to survive a hellish “peace.” To communicate with a modern eye I stretched the painting to a widescreen format, and tilted the horizon line to give it the energy of a handheld camera, a gritty dogma movie. My mother always told me to paint rougher, so simplifying with rough strokes the viewer participates in finishing the painting, that's what you call "to have a dialogue with the work"
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site where the work is
https://www.facebook.com/gallerysand/po ... 315527790/

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