Some RADwJ items

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Post by ancasta » 16 Nov 2006 23:38

Here is a nice example of a RADwJ camp flag. This one is in an excellent condition but sadly I currently cannot afford its selling price:
http://www.therupturedduck.com/WebPages ... s/fl36.htm

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Post by Michael Jonas » 17 Nov 2006 10:03

Hi ancasta

nice site, but this flag is real a women flag. All the other women flags are from the RAD for Men.
And there are other mistakes.

Michael

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Post by Matt Gibbs » 17 Nov 2006 21:19

Thats a nice background piece for someones collection!
ttfn
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Post by Vikki » 18 Nov 2006 07:10

Hello Michael,
Michael Jonas wrote: I'm a collector since 20 years.
What do you want to see??
What shall I scan? I think, I have it all.
Since you offer, there is something that I'd like to see. Once, many years ago, I saw a RADwJ flag that stills sticks in my memory. The swastika and wheat sheaves were all embroidery-outlined---the individual ears of the wheat stalks outlined in gold, if I remember correctly---and each small individual section of the design inside the embroidery was hand-matelasséd (hand-stuffed). The flag was a truly beautiful piece of craftsmanship that jumped at the viewer, in 3-D effect.

I'd love to see a scan of one of those!

And I hope that you'll post your publication information here when the book comes out---we'll all be interested!

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Post by Vikki » 18 Nov 2006 07:22

By the way, I'd like to remind everyone to provide sources for their photos here, whether from their own collections or otherwise.

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Post by Michael Jonas » 18 Nov 2006 22:04

Hi Vikki,

I think your flag was not official, maybe a gift for a Leader (Hierl) or a gift for a "Bezirksführerin", I have a lot of extrem perfect gifts to higher leaders.
But I have no idea about the special flag story.

The source of my pictures are my collection. But sometimes I use the scans of other collectors to illustrate a thing I havent in my collection.
My pictures are from typical propaganda serials as postcards. There were 3 exhibitions with RADwJ art: 1940 in Berlin, 1942 in Berlin and 1944 in Prag.

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Post by Matt Gibbs » 22 Nov 2006 23:40

Michael,
I realise this is not a RADwJ question exactly, but have you seen any photos of the DAF womens badges being worn?

Also I am curious as to who chose the title of RADwJ. Do you know why it was so specially named. For those of us who are interested but have no source material, can you tell me more about the special rank badge you posted and the history, when you get chance. I shall be watching for the release of the book!
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Post by Matt Gibbs » 22 Nov 2006 23:43

Incidentally could the flag Vikki saw have been for a special Honour group, like the Honour DAF flags with a golden outline of the cogwheels?
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Post by Michael Jonas » 23 Nov 2006 10:27

Hi Matt

my book is near the end, I think 88%. All "Dienststellen", all schools, most of the female leaders by name.
My personal history is the Bundesarchiv and the University of Potsdam near Berlin.
This means - after 20 years of collecting RADm and RADwJ the uniform was not in the middle of my interests.
Now I have to change my focus - so many collectors have questions - and the answers are in my collection but deep, deep, deep.
I will collect the story of "Sonderführerin" at this weekend.

Now the Story of the organisational names:
1932 - 12.1933 - Freiwilliger Arbeitsdienst für Frauen - not used for a special organisation, only FAD as a shortcut.
summer 1933 - "Mädelarbeitsdienst" - used from BdM as name for a new female organisation, and against the Arbeitsdienst of Konstantin Hierl
01.1934 - 01.1936 DFAD - Deutscher Frauenarbeitsdienst, with leader G. Scholtz-Klink
02.1936 - 09.1939 RAD - Arbeitsdienst für die weibliche Jugend (shortcut ADwJ)
09.1939 - 05.1945 Reichsarbeitsdienst für die weibliche Jugend - RADwJ - also a shortcut

Shortcuts are typical for the German bureaucracy.

The flag story
I have no specialist knowledge about the DAF and not a picture with the badge.
But in the RADwJ were no special Honour groups.
In the RAD for Men were a lot more of "Honour" - for instance the "Fahnenbänder" from battles in Russia a.s.o.

Michael

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Post by Vikki » 25 Nov 2006 00:42

Sorry I haven't been able to contribute to this thread before now, but computer problems (actually, a computer crash) held me up.

Here are some RADwJ items in the "Fraulein Valkyrie" collection:
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Post by Vikki » 25 Nov 2006 01:07

Some others....
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Post by Vikki » 25 Nov 2006 01:17

RADwJ tunic (with lapel opened to show the size and manufacturer's markings), and RADwJ trousers.
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Post by Vikki » 25 Nov 2006 01:25

RADwJ beltbuckle, probably a "private purchase" item. It is factory-manufactured, i.e., not homemade; the insignium is not a brooch, but of thinner metal and more shallow.
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Post by Vikki » 25 Nov 2006 01:40

A sample of RADwJ Bezirk sleeve patches. Note that the patch on the left, for Bezirk XXX, is uncut and unused. There were 29 RADwJ Bezirke or districts, and the patch is said to have been manufactured in anticipation of a 30th Bezirk which was never created. Its material and construction are consistent with other original patches in my and other collections, and not at all like those of either the fake officers' "Lager School 4" and non-commissioned "XXVIII" patches that have flooded the market in the last few years.
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Post by Michael Jonas » 25 Nov 2006 13:31

Hi Vikki,

great collection. I'm wondering about so many big and important collections outside Germany. But this is an other discussion.

LS 4
Here are my post from:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... c&start=15.

Here are the fact of LS 4 - Lagerschule 4
There was a LS 4 !! It was in "Illertissen" in Bezirk XIII Bayern from 1939 - 1941.
OK, there are too many on the market, but I have this also in my collection since 1991 - and my example is not a fake - its an unused real thing.
I think it's like US Comics - a warehouse found after many years.
I named this an unused "Kammerstück".

Bezirk XXX

There was a Bezirk XXX and a Bezirk XXXI. I will describe the story and the leaders in my book about the RADwJ.
I have the original instructions, exact date a.s.o.
But for collectors: a patch of XXX or XXXI is extremly rare.

Thanks for the beltbuckle - its so funny.

Michael

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