German invasion of Sweden?

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Post by tonyh » 15 May 2002 10:57

>>Were there ever made plans for an invasion?<<

No, probably not. There might have been contingency plans, incase Britain succeded in occupying Galivare, like there was for Norway. But Germany prefered Sweden Neutral. Two main reasons, Iron ore trading amongst others things and she didn't want to spare any more unnecessary occupation trroops.

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Post by Pumpkin » 15 May 2002 12:24

Cheshire Yeomanry wrote:I imagine they would have had to reconise that a Swedish resistance or partisan warfare would tie up more divisions


Haha, imagine again, Chesire! As a Swede I think I can say that noone here would have had the guts to resist anything after the total defeat that our junkyard defence would've suffered within the first week (unless the government surrendered flat out to the first party making an ultimatum). OK, a few patriotic (but not crypto-fascist, who ever would've fitted that description) officers hiding in some woods far away from everything for a few months, until they wanna come home to mommy. The Swedish commies were well registred by the social democratic government in cooperation with German intelligence (weren't there a scandal about this a number of years ago?) and would quickly have been eliminated. Any others who would have moved a finger to sabotage anything, I can't imagine. (And the commies were ordered by their party leader Stalin to support Germany anyway).

The Balkans is a different world. There most men seem to fight most of the time, even without much reason! Even Norway is quite different.

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Post by docdoom » 15 May 2002 13:27

Hello.

A german general ( i think it was) was asked to make different senarios, of invasion into Sweden.

The attack would come in "jämtland" and "härjedalen" Regions.

i think it was planed in 1943. i will get the details later today and write to the forum.

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Post by Bjørn from Norway » 15 May 2002 15:21

Hello!
I can confirm that the Germans ordered a plan for an possibly forthcoming attack in the Autumn 1943. Responsibe for making the plans was the infamous general Rudolf Bamler.The latter later deserted to the Russians, fleeing across Ladoga Sea. The 25th PzDivision was even brought to Norway in case of an invasion. The plan got shelved, partly because of German evaluation, and hardly urged by ministerpresident Quisling.

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Post by Raf » 15 May 2002 15:43

Sweden exported iron to Germany. I always wondered why the Allies let this happen without any action. Even after the war Sweden never had to answer difficult questions about it.

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Post by Dan » 15 May 2002 15:59

Why should the Swedes have to answer any questions about this? They had the right to sell to whoever they wanted to.

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this is why

Post by docdoom » 15 May 2002 16:00

Sweden exported ball bearings and iron to germany BUT also to england.

i think this is the reason..

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Post by tonyh » 15 May 2002 16:19

>>Sweden exported iron to Germany. I always wondered why the Allies let this happen without any action.<<

They didn't. Why do you think the British plan for a Norway invasion was set in operation. During the winter the Baltic sea lanes iare frozen, until well into the Spring. While the sea is frozen, Norway let Sweden trade her goods to Germany via Narvik. Before this in 1940, the British also set up a plan to occupy the Galivare ore fields and thus shut off the German option to them. Ostensibly the BEF were going to pass through Sweden on their way to supposedly help Finland in their war with Russia, on their way the Galivare iron ore fields would be occupied and neutralised. However, Sweden refused them the right of passage. In the end, it didn't matter as the "Winter war" ended before the BEF could be sent. The operation to occupy Norway was set in motion then. The German's then launched their own plan to forestall the British.

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Invasion and ball bearings

Post by docdoom » 15 May 2002 18:20

Hello.

ball bearings
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My grand mother was working in SKF = Swedish Ballbearing Factory
and she claims to have seen crates marked with england AND germany.

and so have others that i have talked to.
the ball bearings were shiped out from the south of Sweden, and from what i have understod, they shipe one week to the germans and one week to the english. and so on.....

German attack on Sweden.
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On the 10.2.1943 General liutent A.Von Schell was orderd by General V.Falkenhorst, to make a operative study on a attack against sweden.

the plans that he made was to attack against Jämtland and Härjedalen (Operation I).

or Värmland and Dalarna (Operation II ).

The things he said that he neaded to attack sweden in Operation II was:
One Infantery Division
One Panzer Division
One Pionaiare batalion and one Boat companie
one roadbuilding batalion
and one Stormartillery division

also neaded was

three(!!) antiaircraft divisions
one recognaince group
two stuka groups
three bomb ( attack) groups
two fighter groups
and one parashute regiment

also was the "Oslo"(?) division.

General Von Falkenhorst gave 21.6 the order to have a exercise with the armour troups and infantery would also be there.

they were to practise the "scandinavian tactics".



But the 21 August 43 mutch of the troups were move to the channel coast,

and that was probably the end of the plans of a operation against sweden.

sweden had at the time 12-14 Infantery divisions, 3-4 armour brigades and a few bike brigades.

all about 400 000 men.

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Post by Andy H » 15 May 2002 18:35

Hi Pumpkin

I thought that the decendants of Vikings would be made of sterner stuff, surely your being to harsh on your forefathers from the 40's?

:D Andy from the Shire

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Post by Pumpkin » 15 May 2002 19:10

From 1900 to 1940 Sweden went from being "the fortressed poverty house" to being "a defenceless wellfare state" under social democracy.

I can't imagine that Sweden could've put up more than a tenth of the defence that the military regime in the populous Poland could. Not until late in the war at least. After a few years of preparations, we probably could muster a few hundered thousand well drilled but ill equiped soldiers. But how could they withstand a blitzkrieg? (The huge quantities of bikes and backpacks etc produced during those years uselessly filled military storage rooms when I did my miltary service just a decade ago. I doubt there were much useful weapons available) Navy and airforce must've been insignificant compared to what Germany could spare during a week.

And Swedes have never put up a resistance movement against anything since the 16th century. Not even a political opposition against the highest taxes of the world we have today! We are really civilized!

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Post by London Lad » 15 May 2002 20:58

Dan wrote:Why should the Swedes have to answer any questions about this? They had the right to sell to whoever they wanted to.


What a ridiculous and idiotic statement. If the Swede's ‘were’ selling (and profiting) from the Nazis they were liable for attack from the allies risking many innocent Swedish lives. There was also the geographical and political ramifications to take into consideration.

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Post by Dan » 15 May 2002 21:11

We were talking about post-war reprecussions

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Post by Lord Gort » 15 May 2002 21:47

Hey, I read that Finnish nickel became more important than Swedish ore, and that the Swedish mitary was actually reasonable well armed, afetr all the armamenst industry was booming. Bofor guns etc.

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Post by Raf » 16 May 2002 07:40

Thanks alraedy for the information. I must admide I don't know much about what happend in Sweden during WW 2. Books on the subject are very rary. In fact I didn't found any at all. I'm interested however to learn more. In fact didn't know that Sweden exported to GB to.

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