Guderian plan for conquest of Africa

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Re: Guderian plan for conquest of Africa

Post by Peter89 » 22 Jan 2020 20:02

Aida1 wrote:
22 Jan 2020 19:31
Peter89 wrote:
22 Jan 2020 18:06
Okay guys, let's make this short. Nobody wanted to attack Germany in the 1930's. In fact, the whole 1930's was about giving concessions to Germany without a war. The wise statesmen of Europe realized that a new war could only bring the total downfall of the continent from its world-leading role it held for centuries.

The world was changing. Japan and the USA were emerging as great powers, the colonial empires scrumbled, and thechnology made every kind of weaponry obsolate. The German nuclear bomb, radar and rocket projects - which were btw not even regulated by the Versailles Treaty - were the military blockbusters then. You no longer needed hoards of raw materials and vast colonies of poor population to sell your industry's products.

The Germans were so deeply traumatized by the lost WW1 that a lot of them wanted a rematch. It was such a good idea that in the end the Eastern style poverty came up to Vienna and Berlin. Germany and Japan - even now! - are two prominent nations in world economy; a feat they achieved after millions of dead, nuclear attacks, firestormed cities, another territorial losses, etc. Italy produces more than Russia.

Nobody wanted to attack Germany prior the WW2.
No thruth in this. War can happen particularly when you are militarily weak .
It didn't happen and there is no proof that it would happen. So it is truth.

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Re: Guderian plan for conquest of Africa

Post by Aida1 » 22 Jan 2020 21:42

Peter89 wrote:
22 Jan 2020 20:02
Aida1 wrote:
22 Jan 2020 19:31
Peter89 wrote:
22 Jan 2020 18:06
Okay guys, let's make this short. Nobody wanted to attack Germany in the 1930's. In fact, the whole 1930's was about giving concessions to Germany without a war. The wise statesmen of Europe realized that a new war could only bring the total downfall of the continent from its world-leading role it held for centuries.

The world was changing. Japan and the USA were emerging as great powers, the colonial empires scrumbled, and thechnology made every kind of weaponry obsolate. The German nuclear bomb, radar and rocket projects - which were btw not even regulated by the Versailles Treaty - were the military blockbusters then. You no longer needed hoards of raw materials and vast colonies of poor population to sell your industry's products.

The Germans were so deeply traumatized by the lost WW1 that a lot of them wanted a rematch. It was such a good idea that in the end the Eastern style poverty came up to Vienna and Berlin. Germany and Japan - even now! - are two prominent nations in world economy; a feat they achieved after millions of dead, nuclear attacks, firestormed cities, another territorial losses, etc. Italy produces more than Russia.

Nobody wanted to attack Germany prior the WW2.
No thruth in this. War can happen particularly when you are militarily weak .
It didn't happen and there is no proof that it would happen. So it is truth.
It would if Germany is weak and can be overrun easily. So no truth in it.

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Re: Guderian plan for conquest of Africa

Post by Peter89 » 22 Jan 2020 23:24

Aida1 wrote:
22 Jan 2020 21:42
Peter89 wrote:
22 Jan 2020 20:02
Aida1 wrote:
22 Jan 2020 19:31
Peter89 wrote:
22 Jan 2020 18:06
Okay guys, let's make this short. Nobody wanted to attack Germany in the 1930's. In fact, the whole 1930's was about giving concessions to Germany without a war. The wise statesmen of Europe realized that a new war could only bring the total downfall of the continent from its world-leading role it held for centuries.

The world was changing. Japan and the USA were emerging as great powers, the colonial empires scrumbled, and thechnology made every kind of weaponry obsolate. The German nuclear bomb, radar and rocket projects - which were btw not even regulated by the Versailles Treaty - were the military blockbusters then. You no longer needed hoards of raw materials and vast colonies of poor population to sell your industry's products.

The Germans were so deeply traumatized by the lost WW1 that a lot of them wanted a rematch. It was such a good idea that in the end the Eastern style poverty came up to Vienna and Berlin. Germany and Japan - even now! - are two prominent nations in world economy; a feat they achieved after millions of dead, nuclear attacks, firestormed cities, another territorial losses, etc. Italy produces more than Russia.

Nobody wanted to attack Germany prior the WW2.
No thruth in this. War can happen particularly when you are militarily weak .
It didn't happen and there is no proof that it would happen. So it is truth.
It would if Germany is weak and can be overrun easily. So no truth in it.
Okay. Which country wanted to invade Germany in 1939?

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Re: Guderian plan for conquest of Africa

Post by Kelvin » 23 Jan 2020 04:01

Hi, Aida1, I absolutely endorse your viewpoint.

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Re: Guderian plan for conquest of Africa

Post by Peter89 » 23 Jan 2020 07:12

Kelvin wrote:
23 Jan 2020 04:01
Hi, Aida1, I absolutely endorse your viewpoint.
You can give me the name of the country which wanted to attack Germany too. :milwink:

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Re: Guderian plan for conquest of Africa

Post by Aida1 » 23 Jan 2020 09:39

Peter89 wrote:
23 Jan 2020 07:12
Kelvin wrote:
23 Jan 2020 04:01
Hi, Aida1, I absolutely endorse your viewpoint.
You can give me the name of the country which wanted to attack Germany too. :milwink:
Several when Germany would want to retake the territories lost.

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Re: Guderian plan for conquest of Africa

Post by Peter89 » 23 Jan 2020 11:47

Aida1 wrote:
23 Jan 2020 09:39
Peter89 wrote:
23 Jan 2020 07:12
Kelvin wrote:
23 Jan 2020 04:01
Hi, Aida1, I absolutely endorse your viewpoint.
You can give me the name of the country which wanted to attack Germany too. :milwink:
Several when Germany would want to retake the territories lost.
You mean none. Okay, let's move on.

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Re: Guderian plan for conquest of Africa

Post by doogal » 13 Feb 2020 20:54

Struggling to see how a few lines in a memoir adds up to Guderian having a plan for the conquest of Africa... It would seem that he was echoing Admiral Raeders approach of a comprehensive Mediterranean campaign which would have required the North African coast line to be occupied to deny the British any possible manoeuvre. As it turned out Germany did have the capacity to transport troops and material to the African coast both in 41/42/ and when the tide had turned in the allies favour they could still re-inforce with the 5th Pzr Army (total waste at that point) I do think it points to the fact that a sustained German effort aimed at British med positions was feasible.

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Re: Guderian plan for conquest of Africa

Post by corbulo » 27 Feb 2020 14:42

Aida1 wrote:
22 Jan 2020 19:31
Peter89 wrote:
22 Jan 2020 18:06
Okay guys, let's make this short. Nobody wanted to attack Germany in the 1930's. In fact, the whole 1930's was about giving concessions to Germany without a war. The wise statesmen of Europe realized that a new war could only bring the total downfall of the continent from its world-leading role it held for centuries.

The world was changing. Japan and the USA were emerging as great powers, the colonial empires scrumbled, and thechnology made every kind of weaponry obsolate. The German nuclear bomb, radar and rocket projects - which were btw not even regulated by the Versailles Treaty - were the military blockbusters then. You no longer needed hoards of raw materials and vast colonies of poor population to sell your industry's products.

The Germans were so deeply traumatized by the lost WW1 that a lot of them wanted a rematch. It was such a good idea that in the end the Eastern style poverty came up to Vienna and Berlin. Germany and Japan - even now! - are two prominent nations in world economy; a feat they achieved after millions of dead, nuclear attacks, firestormed cities, another territorial losses, etc. Italy produces more than Russia.

Nobody wanted to attack Germany prior the WW2.
No thruth in this. War can happen particularly when you are militarily weak .
There do need to be reasons, though. AS well as a need to maintain a balance ofm power

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Re: Guderian plan for conquest of Africa

Post by Erwinn » 26 Jun 2020 12:03

Germany could have overrun Tunisia at any given point in 1941, except they didn't because it was ran by Vichy France, which were simply a puppet of the Germans.

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Re: Guderian plan for conquest of Africa

Post by ChristopherPerrien » 27 Jun 2020 04:50

Lost on "Guderian" ever wanting to conquerer' Africa'

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