What is Strategy

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Re: What is Strategy

Post by jesk » 31 Dec 2018 18:13

Hanny wrote:
31 Dec 2018 12:50
jesk wrote:
31 Dec 2018 10:16

The Germans could move on the territory of the USSR, without encountering military resistance. Russian with weapons as an enemy imposed by Hitler. Without it, the instant destruction and capture of all Russian troops anywhere else.
Authentic gibberish, not related to the quote.
5 million prisoners at a set recognized mistakes of Hitler speak about much. Germans could do it!

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Re: What is Strategy

Post by Hanny » 31 Dec 2018 19:03

jesk wrote:
31 Dec 2018 18:13

5 million prisoners at a set recognized mistakes of Hitler speak about much. Germans could do it!

Authentic gibberish.
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

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Re: What is Strategy

Post by jesk » 31 Dec 2018 19:12

Hanny wrote:
31 Dec 2018 19:03
jesk wrote:
31 Dec 2018 18:13

5 million prisoners at a set recognized mistakes of Hitler speak about much. Germans could do it!

Authentic gibberish.
What is wrong with my conclusions? The Germans did not win because they could not? Hitler gave bad orders. Read the sources ..

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Re: What is Strategy

Post by doogal » 31 Dec 2018 19:55

Hanny wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 12:50
jesk wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 10:16

The Germans could move on the territory of the USSR, without encountering military resistance. Russian with weapons as an enemy imposed by Hitler. Without it, the instant destruction and capture of all Russian troops anywhere else.
Authentic gibberish, not related to the quote.


Hanny wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 19:03
jesk wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 18:13

5 million prisoners at a set recognized mistakes of Hitler speak about much. Germans could do it!

Authentic gibberish.
What is wrong with my conclusions? The Germans did not win because they could not? Hitler gave bad orders. Read the sources ..
Jesk - Hanny is right, neither sentence makes sense let alone relate the question:
Hanny wrote: ↑
20 Dec 2018 17:53
So was it impossible to win the east using old strategy wedded to new technology?, or just improbable? It worked in western Europe over 1 or 2 operationl bounds, not perfectly, but good enough.]
They did fail, impossible is to absolute a term for warfare: Maybe it wasnt the "old strategy" that was the problem, but rather the manner in which it was implemented.

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Re: What is Strategy

Post by jesk » 31 Dec 2018 20:05

doogal wrote:
31 Dec 2018 19:55
Hanny wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 12:50
jesk wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 10:16

The Germans could move on the territory of the USSR, without encountering military resistance. Russian with weapons as an enemy imposed by Hitler. Without it, the instant destruction and capture of all Russian troops anywhere else.
Authentic gibberish, not related to the quote.


Hanny wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 19:03
jesk wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 18:13

5 million prisoners at a set recognized mistakes of Hitler speak about much. Germans could do it!

Authentic gibberish.
What is wrong with my conclusions? The Germans did not win because they could not? Hitler gave bad orders. Read the sources ..
Jesk - Hanny is right, neither sentence makes sense let alone relate the question:
Russians were very weak opponent. Germans easily destroyed the Soviet fronts. Only Hitler could stop Wehrmacht. For example, already wrote, on July 10 Germans were in 15 km from Kiev. Hitler forbade to take the capital of Ukraine! It is important too. Russians in normal conditions without Hitler cannot be the military opponent for Germans. Wanted to tell about it.

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Re: What is Strategy

Post by Hanny » 02 Jan 2019 15:40

jesk wrote:
31 Dec 2018 20:05
Wanted to tell about it.
Please, in future resist that impulse. :lol:
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

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Re: What is Strategy

Post by jesk » 02 Jan 2019 16:31

Nothing ridiculous seems to me. German mistakes shock with primitiveness. Victory literally in two words. Without long discussions, various theories, lend-lease. Without Hitler Germans in July, 1941 precisely took Moscow, Leningrad and Kiev!

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Re: What is Strategy

Post by Hanny » 02 Jan 2019 18:00

Human brains mature/develop over time, poor impulse control is present at an immature stage of development, if you cant control yourself, and just want to add unrelated gibberish to every thread, well you get the idea what readers will conclude.
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

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Re: What is Strategy

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 04 Jan 2019 10:36

jesk wrote:
31 Dec 2018 20:05
doogal wrote:
31 Dec 2018 19:55
Hanny wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 12:50
jesk wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 10:16

The Germans could move on the territory of the USSR, without encountering military resistance. Russian with weapons as an enemy imposed by Hitler. Without it, the instant destruction and capture of all Russian troops anywhere else.
Authentic gibberish, not related to the quote.


Hanny wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 19:03
jesk wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 18:13

5 million prisoners at a set recognized mistakes of Hitler speak about much. Germans could do it!

Authentic gibberish.
What is wrong with my conclusions? The Germans did not win because they could not? Hitler gave bad orders. Read the sources ..
Jesk - Hanny is right, neither sentence makes sense let alone relate the question:
Russians were very weak opponent. Germans easily destroyed the Soviet fronts. Only Hitler could stop Wehrmacht. For example, already wrote, on July 10 Germans were in 15 km from Kiev. Hitler forbade to take the capital of Ukraine! It is important too. Russians in normal conditions without Hitler cannot be the military opponent for Germans. Wanted to tell about it.
No Hitler no defeat ?

But, with no Hitler you have no war ! :lol:

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Re: What is Strategy

Post by jesk » 04 Jan 2019 13:25

Hanny wrote:
02 Jan 2019 18:00
Human brains mature/develop over time, poor impulse control is present at an immature stage of development, if you cant control yourself, and just want to add unrelated gibberish to every thread, well you get the idea what readers will conclude.
Why this opus and your theoretical calculations. July 10, 1941 the Germans, 15 km from Kiev. Hitler ordered not to take the city. On June 26, Manstein on Dvina, his 56th corps passed 300 km to the fighting, 500 remained to Leningrad. Hitler ordered to stop for 6 days, to wait for the flanks to be covered. Army Group "Center" from June 26, a lot of orders of Hitler, slow movements. That is the real "Barbarossa", all the other arguments are garbage. Only I stick to the sources in the topics. The rest, to varying degrees, consider it possible to invent their own version of the story. Leningrad, Moscow and Hitler without Hitler in July the inevitable fall. Only Hitler was able to stop. Not Russians.

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Re: What is Strategy

Post by jesk » 04 Jan 2019 13:30

doogal wrote:
31 Dec 2018 19:55
Hanny wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 12:50
jesk wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 10:16

The Germans could move on the territory of the USSR, without encountering military resistance. Russian with weapons as an enemy imposed by Hitler. Without it, the instant destruction and capture of all Russian troops anywhere else.
Authentic gibberish, not related to the quote.


Hanny wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 19:03
jesk wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 18:13

5 million prisoners at a set recognized mistakes of Hitler speak about much. Germans could do it!

Authentic gibberish.
What is wrong with my conclusions? The Germans did not win because they could not? Hitler gave bad orders. Read the sources ..
Jesk - Hanny is right, neither sentence makes sense let alone relate the question:
Hanny wrote: ↑
20 Dec 2018 17:53
So was it impossible to win the east using old strategy wedded to new technology?, or just improbable? It worked in western Europe over 1 or 2 operationl bounds, not perfectly, but good enough.]
They did fail, impossible is to absolute a term for warfare: Maybe it wasnt the "old strategy" that was the problem, but rather the manner in which it was implemented.
There was no opponent. Read Halder, Bock, Manstein. Hitler stopped Germans. These are sources, of you the sympathy to invent the version a story. Without sources, that which is pleasant.

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Re: What is Strategy

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 04 Jan 2019 13:44

jesk wrote:
04 Jan 2019 13:30
doogal wrote:
31 Dec 2018 19:55
Hanny wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 12:50
jesk wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 10:16

The Germans could move on the territory of the USSR, without encountering military resistance. Russian with weapons as an enemy imposed by Hitler. Without it, the instant destruction and capture of all Russian troops anywhere else.
Authentic gibberish, not related to the quote.


Hanny wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 19:03
jesk wrote: ↑
31 Dec 2018 18:13

5 million prisoners at a set recognized mistakes of Hitler speak about much. Germans could do it!

Authentic gibberish.
What is wrong with my conclusions? The Germans did not win because they could not? Hitler gave bad orders. Read the sources ..
Jesk - Hanny is right, neither sentence makes sense let alone relate the question:
Hanny wrote: ↑
20 Dec 2018 17:53
So was it impossible to win the east using old strategy wedded to new technology?, or just improbable? It worked in western Europe over 1 or 2 operationl bounds, not perfectly, but good enough.]
They did fail, impossible is to absolute a term for warfare: Maybe it wasnt the "old strategy" that was the problem, but rather the manner in which it was implemented.
There was no opponent. Read Halder, Bock, Manstein. Hitler stopped Germans. These are sources, of you the sympathy to invent the version a story. Without sources, that which is pleasant.
Since Hitler was the one who launched the Germans, he had every latitude to stop them. :thumbsup:

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