Looking for information on units in Sicily, 1943

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Looking for information on units in Sicily, 1943

Post by dholte » 10 Feb 2011 12:40

I'm sure more are going to come up but can anyone help with the following?

For now I'm looking for any details on the following units (manpower, equipment)

Fortress Battalion 904
Fortress Battalion 923
Fortress Battalion "Reggio"

Thanks!

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Re: Looking for information on units in Sicily, 1943

Post by dholte » 10 Feb 2011 23:39

Also, does anyone have detailed information on the naval "Harbor Defense Group" battalions?

For example, 304, 344 and 476 of Harbor Defense Group P

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Re: Looking for information on units in Sicily, 1943

Post by Dili » 11 Feb 2011 14:30

You can get some information, but i think it hasn't the detail you request, here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordre_de_b ... tion_Husky

Carefull about some gun types listed . Example 139/12 didn't existed it was 149/12.

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Re: Looking for information on units in Sicily, 1943

Post by dholte » 12 Feb 2011 19:50

You guess correctly. I need some kind of manpower & quality and even TO&E. I'm working on the OOB for the Italians in Sicily for my next game and it is quite difficult to find much detail.

It goes on and on... units like 12 Machine Gun Battalion of XVI Corps, etc.

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Re: Looking for information on units in Sicily, 1943

Post by Dili » 12 Feb 2011 23:31

A static machine gun battalion have 48 HMG. Search the Comandosupremo forum.

http://comandosupremo.com/forums/index.php

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Re: Looking for information on units in Sicily, 1943

Post by tainster » 06 Apr 2021 14:15

dholte wrote:
10 Feb 2011 12:40
I'm sure more are going to come up but can anyone help with the following?

For now I'm looking for any details on the following units (manpower, equipment)

Fortress Battalion 904
Fortress Battalion 923
Fortress Battalion "Reggio"

Thanks!
This may help with the general build-up of German Fortress Battalions:

https://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital ... rt/ad/desc

Also:
https://www.lonesentry.com/articles/fortress/index.html

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Re: Looking for information on units in Sicily, 1943

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 17 Apr 2021 15:27

tainster wrote:
06 Apr 2021 14:15

This may help with the general build-up of German Fortress Battalions:

https://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital ... rt/ad/desc

Also:
https://www.lonesentry.com/articles/fortress/index.html
Thanks & Graci for those.

What I observed doing similar research four decades ago is the difficulty in accounting for the missing Italian soldiers. Some 34,000 men on the muster in the summer of 1943 are considered unaccounted for. The usual assumption is they deserted fairly quickly, even before the invasion. There is also a theory some were never present, their names were just to inflate or pad the unit strength for various reasons. All that suggested calculating unit strength my TO numbers might be misleading.

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Re: Looking for information on units in Sicily, 1943

Post by jwsleser » 17 Apr 2021 16:44

dholte

It would help to know the source of your information so we can cross check. It would assist me if you write the unit names in their original language. Too often some sources mis-translate the terms used.

I assume the Fortress Battalions 904, 923, and "Reggio" are German units. I can't find these listed as Italian units.

304º, 344º and 476º are Italian battaglioni costieri, not 'naval Harbor defense group battalions'. These would generally follow the standard Italian infantry battalion TO&E but with four infantry companies as a starting point (~736 men), but are modified based on location of employment and available equipment. Number of infantry and MG companies can vary). Hence there is no real 'standard TO&E for them. They usually have increased number of machine guns due to their stationary employment. Other heavy weapons depend on what was available and how important a location they were protecting. Difesa Porto «P» had the XLI gruppo of captured guns (p.c., but type not listed), 51º btr. p.c., and the I/25º gruppo da 100/17 (this gruppo was from d.f. «Assietta») in support.

On 20 July, Difesa Porto «P» had five btg. costieri (above plus the 136º regg. autonomo with the 103º e 463º btg.), two cp. mitr. (MG), one cp. mortai da 81, the XXX gruppo di cavalleria appiedato (dismounted), ten btr. contraeree (AA), eighteen pezzi da c.c. (AT), along with the I/25º gruppo artiglieria mentioned above.

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Re: Looking for information on units in Sicily, 1943

Post by jwsleser » 17 Apr 2021 17:22

dholte

You can look at our section on Sicilia at Comando Supremo.

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