The Hotchkiss gun (Revolving Cannon) ?

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The Hotchkiss gun (Revolving Cannon) ?

Post by Hans1906 » 30 Oct 2021 15:12

When was the Hotchkiss Gun last used ?

Hotchkiss Gun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotchkiss_gun

In an episode of the American TV series "Pawn Stars", such a cannon was offered for sale for 75.000,- US Dollar.
There was also a cannon shooting in the episode...
Whether it was an original, I can not judge ?

I ask for answers ?


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Re: The Hotchkiss gun (Revolving Cannon) ?

Post by Tony Williams » 30 Oct 2021 16:21

I believe that the last use of these guns was mounted in forts at the start of WW2 (not sure which nationality - French or Begian most likely). The calibre was 40mm and the ammo used was case shot, as the guns were intended to sweep defensive ditches at short range. Probably ideal for the purpose, so no reason to change them.
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Re: The Hotchkiss gun (Revolving Cannon) ?

Post by Hans1906 » 30 Oct 2021 16:42

Thanks Tony,

"Case Shot", was similar to the german designation "Schrapnell", am I right ? :?

I ask out of curiosity, I can contribute myself unfortunately little to nothing, sorry.


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Re: The Hotchkiss gun (Revolving Cannon) ?

Post by Grzesio » 30 Oct 2021 18:39

No, case shot (i.e. a shot cartridge for a cannon) is Kartaetsche in German.

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Post by Hans1906 » 30 Oct 2021 19:06

Thanks Grzesio,

It is always astonishing, with what precision of killing especially the experts of the First World War were engaged.


Kartätsche (Munition) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartätsche_(Munition)

I imagine how the men in charge checked off lists, and at the same time sat in safety with their own asses in the stage, pathetic.


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Re: The Hotchkiss gun (Revolving Cannon) ?

Post by JKernwerk » 31 Oct 2021 23:01

I believe some Dutch Marine-units in 1939/1940 also used these.
If they are the same weapon the Marines used them to protect Hook of Holland (Nieuwe Waterweg -the entrance to the Rotterdam harbours-).
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Post by Hans1906 » 03 Nov 2021 16:03

Firing

The History:

Thanks to all contributors! :milwink:


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Post by wirklich » 14 Jul 2022 08:27

I have seen 2 revolving cannons. One was at the Fort Sill artillery museum. The other was for sale at the Wanenmacher gun show about 20 years ago.
In 1987 I bought a revolving cannon shell and case. The shell is the 1-PDR.H (37mm) impact base fuse type made by Wnchester Repeating Arms.
In 1987 the 45th Infantry Division Museum in Oklahoma City had a breech loading Hotchkiss cannon that was used during the Indian wars. It used a larger 2 PDR explosive impact or canister shell. The canister was a sheet metal can filled with lead balls and saw dust. When it was fired the rifling would tear the canister apart as it rotated out the barrel.
The movie The Rough Riders with Sam Elliot showed one being fired several times in the San Jaun Hill battle scene. 31:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srkYe-NgDPw
http://www.victorianshipmodels.com/anti ... munit.html
http://www.victorianshipmodels.com/anti ... mmfie.html
The French used the flank gun. It had a completely different type of barrel.
http://www.victorianshipmodels.com/anti ... ankde.html

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Post by Hans1906 » 14 Jul 2022 11:52

Thank you wirklich,

I remember this TV series with Sam Elliot, but unfortunately I don't remember this particular scene, I'd love to watch it later...

So there were two systems under similar names, in Europe and in the USA, also with very different ammunition, very interesting... :?


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Re: The Hotchkiss gun (Revolving Cannon) ?

Post by tristan-gereon » 14 Jul 2022 19:45

There is one gun actually in Festung Königstein.
Some years ago I saw one in Marinmuseum Aalborg/DK.
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Re: The Hotchkiss gun (Revolving Cannon) ?

Post by Richard Anderson » 14 Jul 2022 20:04

The 2-pdr Hotchkiss as used by the US Army in the Indian Wars was not a revolving cannon, but was a breech-loading mountain gun, Model 1875 and was 42mm. The Hotchkiss revolving cannon were typically 1-pde 37mm and 3-pdr 47mm. The larger 6-pdr 57mm was a breech-loading single-barrel gun.
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Re: The Hotchkiss gun (Revolving Cannon) ?

Post by wirklich » 14 Jul 2022 20:37

Richard Anderson wrote:
14 Jul 2022 20:04
The 2-pdr Hotchkiss as used by the US Army in the Indian Wars was not a revolving cannon, but was a breech-loading mountain gun, Model 1875 and was 42mm. The Hotchkiss revolving cannon were typically 1-pde 37mm and 3-pdr 47mm. The larger 6-pdr 57mm was a breech-loading single-barrel gun.
I should have posted a picture to avoid any confusion.
I assumed people knew the difference between the revolving gun and the breach loaders used in the Indian wars. Sorry about that.

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Re: The Hotchkiss gun (Revolving Cannon) ?

Post by wirklich » 30 Jul 2022 20:00

wirklich wrote:
14 Jul 2022 08:27
I have seen 2 revolving cannons. One was at the Fort Sill artillery museum. The other was for sale at the Wanenmacher gun show about 20 years ago.
In 1987 I bought a revolving cannon shell and case. The shell is the 1-PDR.H (37mm) impact base fuse type made by Wnchester Repeating Arms.
In 1987 the 45th Infantry Division Museum in Oklahoma City had a breech loading Hotchkiss cannon that was used during the Indian wars. It used a larger 2 PDR explosive impact or canister shell. The canister was a sheet metal can filled with lead balls and saw dust. When it was fired the rifling would tear the canister apart as it rotated out the barrel.
The movie The Rough Riders with Sam Elliot showed one being fired several times in the San Jaun Hill battle scene. 31:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srkYe-NgDPw
http://www.victorianshipmodels.com/anti ... munit.html
http://www.victorianshipmodels.com/anti ... mmfie.html
The French used the flank gun. It had a completely different type of barrel.
http://www.victorianshipmodels.com/anti ... ankde.html
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Re: The Hotchkiss gun (Revolving Cannon) ?

Post by Valtoro » 01 Aug 2022 14:10

Some of the HKBs to HKAR 979 in Southern Norway got a "Salvegeschütz" to their inventory around 1944. Most probably the guns were 3,7 cm Hotchkiss dismantled from captured Norwegian torpedoboats.

https://www.kystfort.com/forum/viewtopi ... 7&start=15 (In Norwegian)
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Re: The Hotchkiss gun (Revolving Cannon) ?

Post by JKernwerk » 01 Aug 2022 19:15

If you want to see a surviving one and also want do some fortificationstuff, visit the museum at Fort Villey le Sec.
They have a really nice original one.
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