Cherbourg Stp or W.n.

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Re: Cherbourg Stp or W.n.

Post by Manuferey » 17 Oct 2014 02:28

jopaerya wrote:Nice found Etienne

Then it would be one of the Alarm guns of M.K.B. Hamburg and fits with the other picture's of Hamburg .

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Jos,

The only information I had so far about the type of 7,5 cm Flak guns of MKB Hamburg’s Alarm Flak Batterien comes from an SHM archive that lists some guns recovered from the German coastal batteries around Cherbourg.

For Fermanville (MKB Hamburg), it lists a single remaining gun with the following type:
“75 D.T.C.A. Mle 1936 [on carriage] D.T.C.A. mobile Mle 1938 de 75” [DTCA = “Défense du Territoire Contre-Avions”].
For me it means the Belgian 75 mm ABS/FRC Mle 1936, which was the French 75 mm CA Mle 1932 manufactured in Belgium and which became the 7,5 cm Flak 36(f) for the Germans. I assume that the designation was written carefully by whoever inspected the gun.

But with a 7,5 cm Flak M17/34(f) now showing at Fermanville as well, it raises question about the type(s) of the six 7.5 cm Flak guns of MKB Hamburg: was it actually a mixture of 7,5 cm Flak M36(f) and Flak M17/34(f)? Was the single gun mentioned in the French document actually this 7,5 cm Flak M17/34(f) and the designation in the document was incorrect (but it seems unlikely)?

I hope we can find a German document that could answer this question.

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Re: Cherbourg Stp or W.n.

Post by jopaerya » 18 Oct 2014 01:00

Hello Emmanuel

I am in Brazil at the moment with no archive , I will be back in two weeks .

Regards Jos

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Re: Cherbourg Stp or W.n.

Post by Manuferey » 21 Jul 2018 19:04

Manuferey wrote:
11 Oct 2014 15:11
Image

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The gun is a 7,5 cm Flak M17/34(f).

[...]

Emmanuel
I am revising my identification of the gun. I think it is actually a 7,5 cm Flak M30(f) as the firing control system (or even its mounting plate) which was normally mounted on the side of 17/34(f) is totally absent. The firing control system of the M30(f) was not installed on the gun itself.

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Re: Cherbourg Stp or W.n.

Post by jopaerya » 22 Jul 2018 08:11

Two other photo's of Alarmflak batterie around Cherbourg , then the one from Hamburg .

Stand 01-06-1944 - s. Alarmflak

Hamburg - 6 x 7.5 cm ( ready )
Brommy - 4 x 7.5 cm
York - 4 x 7.5 cm
Landemer - 4 x 7.5 cm


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Re: Cherbourg Stp or W.n.

Post by Manuferey » 22 Jul 2018 14:05

Jos,

I think the last picture shows one of the Flak guns at MKB Marcouf and would solve the mystery of the type of Flak guns used there: 7,5 cm Flak 17/34(f).

I haven't seen any German document yet that identifies the exact type of ex-French Flak gun that was used at Marcouf. However, the series of photos from Nicholas Rudzaik that have been posted on Facebook are all taken east of Les Couplets. Therefore, I don't think it is one of the Flak guns of Landemer or York.

The landscape looks more like Marcouf than Les Caplains (Brommy) and the camouflage net's pattern is identical to the net pattern we can see on many German pictures of MKB Marcouf.

Separately, the Flak guns at Hamburg were Flak M.32(f) (actually ex-Belgian Mle 36) based on the markings recovered by French authorities (and recorded in a report archived at the SHM).

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Re: Cherbourg Stp or W.n.

Post by jopaerya » 22 Jul 2018 16:46

Sounds very logical Emmanuel

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Re: Cherbourg Stp or W.n.

Post by vrog » 23 Jul 2018 08:18

Isnt it 7,5cm KPL vz 37 - Skoda? 7,5 cm Flak M.37(t) in gernam terminiology. Look at the muzle breake.

http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady1918-1 ... vz.37.html

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Re: Cherbourg Stp or W.n.

Post by Manuferey » 24 Jul 2018 01:47

Hi Vrog,

The French had several types of 7.5 cm AA guns that feature this muzzle brake designed by two French engineers, Gaillaud and Bory, and that was also used by Skoda.

Please read the post from ALVF dated 05 Jul 2015 under "Skoda AA gun":
viewtopic.php?f=70&t=140196&start=90

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Re: Cherbourg Stp or W.n.

Post by moonraker » 19 Oct 2019 10:13

hello,
this picture "anse de brik" with the trap defense in the beach.
Source: ebay.de

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Re: Cherbourg Stp or W.n.

Post by jpz4 » 08 Aug 2022 21:52

jopaerya wrote:
25 Mar 2011 17:43
Hello

Who has any idea where this picture with Rommel has been taken , looks to me not a German fortification ??
NAC.jpg
Photo = NAC

Regards Jos
Has the location of this photo been identified? Some state it is battery Brommy, but I've also seen indications it might be Bretagne.
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Re: Cherbourg Stp or W.n.

Post by v60pih » 08 Aug 2022 23:31

Found a story of a Dutch visitor that the location is right on the east of Cherbourg. Now in a difficult terrain with a lot of bushes.

I think it's Stp. 245, batterie Brommy.
On the picture the area around the French emplacement for the 24 cm gun?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 1725751417
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