Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by Konstantin » 28 Jul 2013 19:26

Hi!

I understand almost nothing in sociology. I am an engineer of Radio Engineering, working as chief engineer at Kramators'k branch of a national provider of cable television and Internet access. I have been working in the industry 14 years. Since 2004, I search for and study of the fortifications of the Second World War in Ukraine. This is the German fortifications. This is my hobby, I dedicate this all my free time from work. I guess I looked at all the extant today, the German fortifications on the territory of Ukraine. But I have not abandoned hope that will be found for some of them.
Naturally, that time is - "we have grown from children's pants." It is natural that there will come a time when personal interests are materialized in a community project. And that moment has arrived. This is the only monument of the fortification on the territory of Ukraine, Russia and Belarus of such content. What is it unique? And the fact that this is the only monument of the fortification on the "Eastern Front", which will be based on precisely the German fortification. It will be a monument to all fallen soldiers on the Eastern Front, without exception, with both warring sides, of all nationalities.

With your help, or without it, with the city government, with or without - the project will be brought to an end ... I do not want to talk about it (and probably do not need to talk about it) - into our bank account for charitable donations have not received a single cent . No information help either. This shows that (I mean sociology) - that this project apart from us broke. This is unfortunate, but true. I hope and believe that this project is needed for our children. I really hope. The more I have nothing on hope, but to his comrades. This project will be completed very soon, no matter what problems and difficulties. And then I invite everyone to Ukraine, with their own eyes to see and touch hands.

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Konstantyn
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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by Konstantin » 20 Aug 2013 14:06

Hi!

We all came back from holidays. And I must tell you that the project continues to move and realized. Albeit not as rapidly as planned. Great credit goes to Vice Mayor Andrew Bessonny. His promises were not just words, it fulfills its promises. Builders patched a hole in the brick wall fortification. Brought to the site concrete blocks for building the road. This week will close access to this facility - set to the input array.

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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by Konstantin » 20 Aug 2013 14:12

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I am proud of my fellow countrymen - we find the time and money to restore a fortification of our enemy in the last war. This suggests that we are all - above the stereotypes and old grudges. What did have an understanding of the importance of preserving historical memory. This is good. I'd like to thank all the Ukrainians, who helped finance, information and personal participation in the works. Thank you and I'm proud that I also Ukrainian.

Surprised by the other. And not even the fact that the charity account no one from Western Europe did not list even one Euro. This is me just clear - the higher the level of life, the more people are indifferent to such diversions. But no one helped information - we do not quite know how these buildings were equipped inside. On the other hand, it does not deprive the visitors a fun to poke a finger in the future - it is not, it's not right ...

I will continue to inform the dear community on progress.

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Konstantyn
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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by AvB » 20 Aug 2013 14:56

Already stated by others, there is little known about these kind of adhoc field fortifications which were usually built by the local troops and not ordered from higher up. It's not like 'we from Western Europe' have everything in an archive. It's even more probable that information about the eastern defence lines are in archives in your own region or in Russia. We also did projects on our own. Just sending some money to Ukraine without knowing if this bunker won't be demolished in a year for a housing project or whatever, isn't really smart.

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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by Konstantin » 20 Aug 2013 15:17

AvB wrote:Already stated by others, there is little known about these kind of adhoc field fortifications which were usually built by the local troops and not ordered from higher up. It's not like 'we from Western Europe' have everything in an archive. It's even more probable that information about the eastern defence lines are in archives in your own region or in Russia. We also did projects on our own. Just sending some money to Ukraine without knowing if this bunker won't be demolished in a year for a housing project or whatever, isn't really smart.
Dear colleague, I understand your position. Thank you for your interest in this topic.

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Konstantyn

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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by sebas379 » 22 Aug 2013 09:35

First off,, I want to say you have done an amazing job so far. It's not often that people put so much time and effort to an old bunker. (just look at the destroyed bunker thread around here). I hope you can restore it to it's original state.

Regarding the lack of finances, I think it works best by encouraging people for something close to it. People are much more interested in local history than something half a continent away. I would not get my hopes up for a random West European to send it, it works much better if you look closer to home.
I understand you have contacted the government, my experience is that they are always short on money and the first expenses that are scrapped, here as well as in the Ukraine and everywhere, is "fun" things like history. Which is unfortunate, but true.

Is there not a large history museum in your region that you might contact? I understand that part of your city is old,perhaps there is a museum dedicated to the history of the city? Even if they have nothing to offer themselves, they might know people. I imagine when getting projects such as this done, it's all about knowing the right people with the same level of dedication as you have for it. Such a museum or archive might have contacts that can help you on your way.

Good luck with the project, I hope you can bring this amazing project to a good end.

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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by Konstantin » 02 Sep 2013 15:57

Hi!

Thanks to all of you who follow this subject, who writes and gives advice to those who are concerned and take a genuine interest. Thank you all very much! I assure you that we will do everything possible so as not to overshadow your expectations.

As I promised, I will be informed about the news of the project. Report - despite some difficulties and problems, there is a positive move in this direction. Once again I want to thank the city of executive power in the person of Vice-Mayor Andrew Bessonny for their great support and help. And of course, many thanks to the sponsors who, fortunately, there were also donated funds for the restoration work. Once again I should clarify - this project is not spent a single euro from the budget of the city, only the means of the project participants, and private sponsors. Point.

Today, September 2, 2013, we - I, Sergei Kukochka, Michael Naydenko and Viktor Ivanov, arrived at the facility to verify the quality of the work. And, of course, other steps and timeline. The scheme is simple: cost estimate was made for a certain amount of work - sponsors have donated this amount - construction team completed the work.
Unfortunately the first phase of the reconstruction can not be completed before September 6-7. September 7 marks exactly 70 years since the battle for Kramators'k.

I will not describe all the details, I hope that you all will see in the pictures and mark progress.

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So it became 02.09.2013

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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by Konstantin » 02 Sep 2013 16:21

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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by Konstantin » 02 Sep 2013 16:34

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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by Konstantin » 02 Sep 2013 16:43

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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by Konstantin » 02 Sep 2013 16:53

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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by Konstantin » 02 Sep 2013 17:10

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Something like this would look like fortifications after the completion of all works. The designer Michael Naydenko.

We have, of course we will discuss the details, and make any possible changes. But the overall concept is the same as shown in the photo. I invite all my colleagues, all concerned to discuss the project. We are grateful for criticism and suggestions.

Dear friends and colleagues! We do not lose hope to equip this fortification current layout gun MG-34/42. And if the small details of the entourage (ammunition boxes, helmets, kerosene lamps "bat", etc.) we are able to find the funds, then raise funds for the gun - very difficult. I ask all of those who provide financial help. Should be around 2000 Euro. If each of us will donate 5, 10, 15 ... Euro, it is possible to collect the necessary sum. Thank you.


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Below are the details of the bank account to help:

Beneficiary: acc. 038-26255111765
NAME ABRAMENKO KONSTIANTYN IGOROVICH, INN 2533114239
ADRESS KRAMATORSK b-r MASHINOSTROITELEY 2-16
Bank of Beneficiary : Raiffeisen Bank AVAL
Donetsk, UKRAINE
SWIFT: AVAL UA UK DON
Correspondent bank : acc 9470329 10
SWIFT: DEUTDEFF

CORRESPONDENT BANKS OF AVAL BANK OUTSIDE THE C.I.S.
(NOSTRO ACCOUNTS)
Bank Name and Citi: Deutsche Bank AG, Frankfurt am Main, Germany.
Account Number: 9470329 10
Currency: EUR
S.W.I.F.T. BIC: DEUTDEFF

Bank Name and Citi: Raiffeisen Zentralbank Oesterreich, Vienna, Avstria
Account Number: 55022305
Currency: EUR
S.W.I.F.T. BIC: RZBAATWW

ATTENTION!
Please, be advised that according to the current legislative acts of Ukraine, we cannot accept payment in favour of the beneficiary if this payment originates from entrepreneurial activity of any kind. So, please, refrain from usinh such definitions as «contract», «bill », «invoice» etc. In details of payment (field #70 or # 72).

Raiffeisen Bank AVAL
OFFICE: 46V, F. ZAITZEVA STR., 83086, DONETSK, UKRAINE
TEL: (062) 337-19-13, (062) 337-25-47 TELEX: 631032 AVAL UX
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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by der bunkermann » 03 Sep 2013 07:46

Looks nice!
If you can get it to look as nice as the drawing that would be amazing!

Isnt it a nice idea to place a good condition mg 42 that's been found in the ground in the region?
Should be cheaper, and has more character tha a shiny one!

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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by Konstantin » 05 Sep 2013 07:55

der bunkermann wrote:Looks nice!
If you can get it to look as nice as the drawing that would be amazing!

Isnt it a nice idea to place a good condition mg 42 that's been found in the ground in the region?
Should be cheaper, and has more character tha a shiny one!
Hi!
Dear der bunkermann, thank you for your interest in this subject. Your idea is clear to me, very correct and interesting. Unfortunately, there is no possibility to realize any one of the options. And would such a possibility in the future - is unknown. :(

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Re: Create fortification monument of World War II, Ukraine

Post by Konstantin » 05 Sep 2013 08:15

Hi!

Dear Colleagues, I ask you to provide information and support to our project. We will be grateful to everyone. Maybe someone has a personal possession of the documents from the NARA - T733, R 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56.

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We need all the information regarding the fortifications in Kramatorskaya. And information relating to the battle for Kramatorsk in September 1943. We hope very much to find this information in the documents. Unfortunately, the budget for the project is close to zero and we have in this matter rely on charity esteemed colleagues. Thank you.

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Konstantyn
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