Italian AA Guns

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Sturm78 » 28 May 2020 10:47

Thank you very much for your complete answer and the additional images, schultz, :)
I think you are clarified all my questions about the 20mm Scotti-IF guns.

The only thing I do not understand is why the Italian Navy bought AA Oerlikon guns (both in its static version on a pedestal mount and in its mobile version) and not the very similar versions made by Scotti since at least 1935 ..... :? (your two last images)

Here another image of a Scotti AA gun from Ebay:

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by shultz » 28 May 2020 12:54

Sturm78 wrote:
28 May 2020 10:47
Thank you very much for your complete answer and the additional images, schultz, :)
I think you are clarified all my questions about the 20mm Scotti-IF guns.

The only thing I do not understand is why the Italian Navy bought AA Oerlikon guns (both in its static version on a pedestal mount and in its mobile version) and not the very similar versions made by Scotti since at least 1935 ..... :? (your two last images)

Here another image of a Scotti AA gun from Ebay:

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Hi Sturm, the reason is that the Italian production of 20mm machine gun was still reduced compared to the needs. The Italians tried to get all the weapons they could, they adopted and used the 2cm Flak30 and Flak38, they also used the 15mm ZB60 captured in Yugoslavia (38 specimens distributed to the anti-aircraft defense in 1942). And of course they bought the Oerlikon 1S and 2S from neighboring Switzerland. Ansaldo had bought the building license, but production never started, Ansaldo produced only the 60-round drum magazines (I put a photo from the Ansaldo Historic site).
part of Oe 60rounds drum, made by Ansaldo.jpg
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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Sturm78 » 28 May 2020 13:33

Thanks once again, shultz :wink:

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Sturm78 » 11 Oct 2020 16:00

Hi all,

I think a 76mm Cannone da 76-45 Ansaldo-Schneider AA gun. Is correct ?

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Sturm78 » 07 Dec 2020 14:22

Hi all,

Which is the exact purpose of the optical device mounted on the barrels of this 37mm Breda Mod.32 AA gun ?

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by ROLAND1369 » 07 Dec 2020 14:47

My best guess would be be a motion picture camera for firing practice against friendly aircraft obviously without live ammunition

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Sturm78 » 07 Dec 2020 20:35

Thanks, ROLAND1369

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Sturm78 » 06 Mar 2021 18:20

Hi all,

I found this image on the net. According to photo caption an 37mm Breda.
Any idea about the model ?
Water cooled ?
Only prototype on manufactured in series ?

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by karlik » 06 Mar 2021 19:12

Sturm78 wrote:
06 Mar 2021 18:20
I found this image on the net. According to photo caption an 37mm Breda.
Any idea about the model ?
Hi!
According to the book Alle origine della BREDA it is "Il prototipo della mitragliera da 37/54 su affusto a piedistallo da balipedio" Water-cooled, the foto is from 1935.
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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Sturm78 » 06 Mar 2021 19:44

Thanks, karlik.

The truth is that it has no resemblance to the definitive serial weapon.... 8O

I found this another image on Ebay. According to photo caption a 37mm Ansaldo gun, 1934
Any idea ?

A shame how blurry it is..

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by shultz » 07 Mar 2021 19:08

Sturm78 wrote:
06 Mar 2021 19:44

The truth is that it has no resemblance to the definitive serial weapon.... 8O
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Hi Sturm, “affusto da balipedio” means “provisional carriage for shooting trials” and is completely different from the definitive carriage. The gun is rotated 90 degrees to the right, as in twin naval carriages for “Regia Marina” (see comparison).
Confronto.JPG
I also put a photo from behind showing the twin carriage with the guns, one to the right and one to the left.
37-54 Breda - from the net.jpg
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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by shultz » 07 Mar 2021 19:18

Sturm78 wrote:
06 Mar 2021 19:44
I found this another image on Ebay. According to photo caption a 37mm Ansaldo gun, 1934
Any idea ?

A shame how blurry it is..

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Hi Sturm, your photo shows a 37mm cannon prototype designed by Engineer Scotti (that of 20mm guns) and built by Ansaldo. He had to participate in a competition organized by the Royal Italian Navy for a naval anti-aircraft gun. The carriage is provisional to perform trial shots (two sheets metal sides, fixed to a centre-pivot carriage for a naval 76mm gun) .
I have never seen photos of the final carriage.
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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Sturm78 » 08 Mar 2021 21:02

Thanks a lot for your help, Shultz.. :)

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by shultz » 18 Mar 2021 15:44

Sturm78 wrote:
27 Jun 2018 20:33
Hi all,

Any information about this Italian AA gun prototype ??

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Hello everyone,
I need your help regarding this photograph, which was posted in this thread by our friend Sturm on 27/06/2018.
Ansaldo Geschutz 80-90 mm-.jpg
The caption says "Ansaldo gun 80-90mm" : well, we are definitely in Italy and the tractor is an Italian Pavesi P4.
But the gun is different from the Italian anti-aircraft guns of the 1930s.
It is different from 75/46 and 90/53, from 76/40 and from 76/45, and also from the 75/45 prototype.
It is also very different from an Ansaldo naval 75/50 of which I have seen the drawing (I don't think it was built).
If any of you have any news or other photographs of this antiaircraft gun I will be grateful for the publication.
Photographs of other weapons with the background of the same buildings would also be welcome .

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Re: Italian AA Guns

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Dec 2021 21:30

Hi all,

Is this an 76/45 Ansaldo-Schneider Mod.1911 ?? :?

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