die 17 Nachrichtenstand

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die 17 Nachrichtenstand

Post by moonraker » 12 Jan 2012 10:02

hello,
I did a little study of the distribution of positions of the phone lines 15th and 7th Army.I think after the raid the german are building the nachrichtenstand of die 17 "arques-la-bataille". for the french it is the only three-meter.the configuration plan reminds me of the ancestor of 617. it would be nice to come across anyone know the information in holland or denmark like a bunker ?

the true center is certainly in the Barrak wood.the ST had used in the event of bombing.

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Re: die 17 Nachrichtenstand

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Jan 2012 12:13

Hello Etienne Nice to see you here
I ll think it can be a good idea to search for all SK Nachrichtenstände in Europe
Maybe we find connections...
15 KVA B V4.jpg
here is one in Dunkirk...It is constructed in Calais , Boulogne Dunkirk and Belgium (de Panne)
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Re: die 17 nachrichtenstand

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Jan 2012 15:16

It is perhaps a good idea to give here a list of Nachrichtenstand type or Sk from everywhere .
Antwerp 618
De Panne SK
Boulogne SK
Calais SK
Dunkerk SK

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Re: die 17 nachrichtenstand

Post by moonraker » 12 Jan 2012 15:52

hi all,
here the draiwing original of the nachrichtenstand die 17 dieppe.

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the bunker is enlarged but there are 617 available to a change such as drawing with color. walls 3 meters !!
room connection and room staff has the same place.

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Re: die 17 nachrichtenstand

Post by moonraker » 12 Jan 2012 16:02

the list to find a day :

le havre 618 "cover"
rouen isnauville SK or 618 ??? "not find in the field"
rouen amfreville ??? " not find in the field"
st arnoult 617 "destroy in 1995"
caen 618 "destroy in 1948-50"
valogne 618 "destroy in 1948"
cherbourg SK "destroy in 1999"
guingamp 617 ??? "not find in the field"
brest 618 "cover"
quinperlè 617 ??? "not find in the field"

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Re: die 17 nachrichtenstand

Post by dirk Peeters » 12 Jan 2012 16:22

Etienne I ll see what you mean with this Dieppe construction
If we make a garage in the midle of the 618 and make a little differences you have a 618
It can be very well be an ancester of the 618
What do others think ?

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Re: die 17 nachrichtenstand

Post by dterrier » 13 Jan 2012 09:12

Hello,

Here is a drawing of the 617SK at De Panne (Source. La Cote Belgique 1941-1944) with an arial photo of 25 march 1944 (Privat Collection).

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Re: die 17 nachrichtenstand

Post by moonraker » 13 Jan 2012 09:33

hello,
thank dirk for your answers ... Your 617 is very close to the original type, some difference has crossing the front and exit x 2.the arrangement of rooms seems correct.He plans on type and each time it is processed, I ask myself.why a lot of change inside ??? evolution also operate call centers ??? or just be a part of the function changes .

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Re: die 17 nachrichtenstand

Post by dirk Peeters » 13 Jan 2012 10:01

Whats in Hollands and Danemark for these 617 , 618 or SKs
Any info someone ?

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Re: die 17 nachrichtenstand

Post by jopaerya » 24 Jan 2012 19:06

Hello Dirk

Here a drawing of the 617 at Alkmaar with a enlarged tobruk .

plan = BRV

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Re: die 17 nachrichtenstand

Post by dirk Peeters » 24 Jan 2012 21:38

thanks

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Re: die 17 nachrichtenstand

Post by JKernwerk » 24 Jan 2012 22:06

Hi Dirk,
In Holland these 618 and 617 were build.
617;
Texel, Den Burg, Bp.20, BNr. 2053-present
Alkmaar, Bp.59, BNr. 3626-present
618;
Alkmaar, Bp.59, BNr. 3635-present
Amstelveen, Bp.161, BNr, 7368-gone
Hoek van Holland, Kernwerk, Stp XIHM, Bp.26a, BNr. 2648-gone
Dordrecht, Bp.94, BNr. 9403-gone
Middelburg, Brunhild, BNr. 09-264-present
Oostburg-gone
Greetings Jack.

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Re: die 17 nachrichtenstand

Post by dirk Peeters » 25 Jan 2012 10:21

No SK in holland ?
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Re: die 17 nachrichtenstand

Post by jopaerya » 25 Jan 2012 16:57

Hello Dirk

The problem was and is all branches ( Luftwaffe , Marine , Heer) in the German army and Reichpost
had there own design for communication bunkers and also there were a lot of local design .

Beside the standard 618, 616 and 617 there are several types of communication bunkers you
can find in different places .

(1) the Luftwaffe SK nachrichtenstand in Norway
(2) the model at Pas de Calais and the Panne
(3) The model from Dieppe 017 is also build more then one time .

There must be more but these are the type's that pop-up right now .

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Re: die 17 nachrichtenstand

Post by JKernwerk » 25 Jan 2012 17:57

Hi Dirk and Jos,
We have 3 SK's.
Well had, the one in Utrecht is gone.
The one at Den Haag and the one at Arnhem are still present.
there were two more in an early building stage.
Den Haag (Ouwenslaan) and Utrecht (Servaesbolwerk) were used as hospitals in the later stages of the war.
Well thats our explanation for the red crosses and the stories.
JK

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