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dirk Peeters
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Re: Bauformen

Post by dirk Peeters » 05 Mar 2020 13:52

it is a BF58d
no german drawing i have for the back entrance

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Re: Bauformen

Post by forttravel » 05 Mar 2020 14:11

Dirk, the question is if it is that local pioniere sub-stab initiative or regular design?

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Re: Bauformen

Post by dirk Peeters » 05 Mar 2020 14:35

we found in all europe back entrance tobruks so not local

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Re: Bauformen

Post by forttravel » 06 Mar 2020 22:55

Going back to post #64 here some pictures of Warsaw style ringstand with concerte roof and sectoral fire.
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Re: Bauformen

Post by herring » 08 Mar 2020 14:39

Hello,

First three it's Plac Politechniki. Where's the fourth one (built in the wall?)

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Re: Bauformen

Post by forttravel » 08 Mar 2020 18:48

The last one is Mokotowska street.

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Re: Heizbarer M.G.-Ringstand mit Zwei-Bettungunterschlupf

Post by forttravel » 01 Jun 2020 14:49

dirk Peeters wrote:
13 Jan 2012 11:31
Yes a genuine Bf 58c with great room
There are two versions but lest cool it down a bit not all at the same time
W e will work it all out
Here is a drawing of that second version and an interesting document concerning to this matter.
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Re: Bauformen

Post by dirk Peeters » 01 Jun 2020 15:38

Wauw thanks . This is great stuff

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Re: Bauformen

Post by der bunkermann » 01 Jun 2020 17:01

Very interesting indeed..
The conlusion as i understand correct:
The ringstand can only be suitable as shelter, if there can be a door between the MG stand, and the unterschlupf. But this together with creating space for the double beds would make it to big?

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Re: Bauformen

Post by Eax-E » 01 Jun 2020 17:24

Hello Tim,

Yes it fits but beds are not large :D
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Re: Bauformen

Post by der bunkermann » 02 Jun 2020 07:31

Thanks for the nice pictures!
This wooden door would clearly not solve the problem of a direct hit in the weapon pit, but it provides some protection from the elements for the crew...

Another thing i thought of, is how hot it will get inside this small space when they turn on the stove :oops:

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Re: Bauformen

Post by forttravel » 07 Oct 2020 21:57

forttravel wrote:
06 Mar 2020 22:55
Going back to post #64 here some pictures of Warsaw style ringstand with concerte roof and sectoral fire.
A picture showing demolition of these ringstands in Warsaw.
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Re: Heizbarer M.G.-Ringstand mit Zwei-Bettungunterschlupf

Post by forttravel » 06 Nov 2020 23:16

forttravel wrote:
01 Jun 2020 14:49
dirk Peeters wrote:
13 Jan 2012 11:31
Yes a genuine Bf 58c with great room
There are two versions but lest cool it down a bit not all at the same time
W e will work it all out
Here is a drawing of that second version and an interesting document concerning to this matter.
Thanks to https://www.facebook.com/twierdzawloclawek
we have in collection next one Ringstand design in Unterkunft version, but at least with door in rear wall.
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Re: Bauformen

Post by Eax-E » 07 Nov 2020 10:11

Hi,

Nice find, forttravel.

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Re: Bauformen

Post by AW » 07 Nov 2020 21:02

nice drawing... hope you find out the No. some day.
would be great if it is one of the 58 variante.

greetz
Alex

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