4.7 cm PAK 36 (t) (ex-czech M-36)

[Brady]

Kupka et al. says about 132 SPG on PzKpfw IB chassis (built in 1940), and 174 on Renault R35, built in 1941.
After Janoušek, there were 202 SPG on PzKpfw IB (since April 1940), and 174 on Renault R35.

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That’s a bit confusing

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How many of the towed guns were used in the field, BoF, is thier any reference for that ?

[KrankenPz]

The 4.7 cm gun in transport behind a truck .

Photo = Ebay

Regards Jos

Does anyone know which divisional or other sign is on the truck in this picture?

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

An image from Ebay. Probably an ex-Yugoslavian gun

Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

An image from Ebay

Sturm78

[Łukasz TuniaRadom]

Hi.

From the H.DV 435-1:

1. 4,7 cm Pzgr. Patr. 36 (t) with 4,7 cm Pzgr. 36 (t) using Bd. Z. 36 (t) and Bd. Z. PD 28 (t)
2. 4,7 cm Pzgr. Patr. 36 (t) umg. with 4,7 cm Pzgr. 35 (ö) umg. using Bd. Z. M 35 of the 4,7 cm Pzgr. 35
3. 4,7 cm Pzgr. Patr. (j) with 4,7 cm Pzgr. (j) using Bd. Z. P 56 (t)
4. 4,7 cm Sprgr. Patr. 36 (t) with 4,7 cm Sprgr. 36 (t) using A. Z. N 34 (t)


propellant charges:

1. 459 g Ngl. Str. P. M 36 (1 * 10/320)
2. 459 g Ngl. Str. P. M 36 (1 * 10/320)
3. 465 g Ngl. Str. P. M 36 (1 * 10/320)
4. 251 g Ngl. Str. P. M 36 (0,6 * 6/320)







Yours

tom!

Brakuje jeszcze :
6. 463 g Ngl. Str. P. M 36 (1*10/320)

[Jens Andersen]

Hi,

On top of the 4,7 cm Fest.Pak.(t) there was mounted a coaxial machine gun.

Was this machine gun considered a weapon of it's own right, or was it only an aid for the aiming of the anti tank gun?

Best regards
Jens

[Brady]

Where are the optics

[Eax-E]

Hi Jens,

I'm not sure about the exact meaning of your question but definitely the MG 37(t) was not used to aim but as an entire weapon, which missing or relocation would not affect the functioning of the gun.

As an example, in Norway 181.ID asked his troops to build alternative MG-emplacements near the casemate for the MG37(t).

4,7 cm mh.JPG

Regards

[Jens Andersen]

Hi,

Thank for your answer. The document very much answers my question.

I have read that the coaxial machine gun on tanks could be used to find the range for the tank's main gun. So, my thought was that the machine gun on the Fest.Pak might have had the same function.
But logically, from the bunker with Fest.Pak you probably didn't aids like that, as you would have plenty of time to learn the distance to landscape features in your field of fire.

Jens

[Ondrej Filip]

Was this machine gun considered a weapon of it's own right, or was it only an aid for the aiming of the anti tank gun?

Hi Jens. The machine gun, although the part of L1 weapon, was completely independent. The shared embrasure was used to increase the fire capacity of the bunker without the need to enlarge it. In some cases, only a cannon with with its machine gun fired in the fire sector (there was no separate machine gun in another embrasure). That machine gun performed its tasks of infantry defense independently of the cannon to which it was attached. Although, of course, it was necessary to aim the entire weapon.

[AvB]

I don't know the exact regulations but in a 676 in Hoek van Holland the amount of 1.000 rounds of steel core (S.m.K.) rounds for the MG was written on the wall. Specifically made for light armour penetration.
They operated indepently but the entire gun had to me moved to aim the MG, which isn't very practical is it?

[Brady]

I don't know the exact regulations but in a 676 in Hoek van Holland the amount of 1.000 rounds of steel core (S.m.K.) rounds for the MG was written on the wall. Specifically made for light armour penetration.
They operated indepently but the entire gun had to me moved to aim the MG, which isn't very practical is it?

I don’t know why it wouldn’t be, pretty much all tank machine guns were coaxial, very few of them had an independent movement most were slaved to the gun.

[Eax-E]

They operated indepently but the entire gun had to me moved to aim the MG, which isn't very practical is it?

The gun traversing mecanism could be disengaged from the rack to moove freely from right to left. So the aiming was more intuitive.

Also the principle to mix both gun and machine gun the a combined fortress weapon was very trendy in the 30's.