German planning concerning the armored counteroffensive in Normandy

[Westphalia1812]

2) How much did they really protest to Hitler?
For example, there is meeting with AH just after the fall of Cherbourg. AH comes to shout on his generals for losing the port. Was that the relevant time to put up requests? Some post-year testimonies say they did, but this is doubtful.
(Same goes with a guy like Model: contrary to his reputation, he never argues against AH).

You got your chronology wrong. Hitler came to Margival on june 17 long before the fall of Cherbourg. During this meeting Rommel and Rundstedt requested authority to allow bigger movements. It was proposed to pull back the forces of Army group G to the north and set up a new defenseline from the swiss border -Saone, Loire -Seine estuary or from the swiss border over Saone-Marne-Somme. Hitler rejected these proposals(Ose pp 132-133).
There was another meeting on the Obersalzberg on june 29 and 30 after the fall of Cherbourg (Ose p158) just before the situation reports with propoals to give up terrain which led to Rundstedt being fired(Ose 152-159).

What are Ose's sources? Don't have the book with me atm, but I guess he refers to the notes of the meeting, right?

[Westphalia1812]

Please stay on topic, and those who have been challenged to prove their opinion with facts. Please do that, otherwise I will lock this thread.

/Georg

Na geht doch!

[Aida1]

Given the political correctness of german historians you would probably like some of them better.

How many modern German studies have you read to back up that claim?

Not needed. I know about them and i know about the political context in Germany where a very critical attitude towards the Wehrmacht is expected. So it is better to read non german authors who do not have to be politically correct. .

[Westphalia1812]

Given the political correctness of german historians you would probably like some of them better.

How many modern German studies have you read to back up that claim?

Not needed. I know about them and i know about the political context in Germany where a very critical attitude towards the Wehrmacht is expected. So it is better to read non german authors who do not have to be politically correct. .

Who are 'they'?

[Westphalia1812]

So it is better to read non german authors who do not have to be politically correct.

Concerning the behaviour of the Wehrmacht in occupied territories, which non-German authors can you recommend?

[Aida1]

So it is better to read non german authors who do not have to be politically correct.

Concerning the behaviour of the Wehrmacht in occupied territories, which non-German authors can you recommend?

You knew very well that i am talking about pure military histories. Actually the thing is that german modern historians tend to concentrate on the behaviour in occupied territories . I do not see a book like Bloody Verrieres being written by a modern mainstream german historian. In Germany it does not do to giive compliments to waffen ss divisions .

[Georg_S]

As my warning was ignored, I feel forced to lock this thread.
In the future, if you claim something, you must be able to prove your opinion if someone challenge you.

It's all stated on the rules of AHF

/Georg