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Re: horses

Post by Anon mouse » 28 Nov 2015 16:40

Go here

http://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/

then click on "World War II Operational Documents"

When that page come up, type "German Army Horses" in the search box.

Your first choice is the subject

Horses in the German Army (1941-1945).
Mueller-Hillebrand, Burkhart
Considers the usage of horses in the German Army, both historically and in the (then) current war.


It is in seven, yes, seven parts. You'll have to download them one at a time.

Anything you ever wanted to know about the use of horses in the German army during the war, right down to which breed were best for what task.

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Re: horses

Post by tigre » 27 Dec 2015 01:57

Hello to all :D;thank you very much for that link Anon mouse :wink:. Now something more: Experiences of a horse-drawn medium artillery battalion!
I got a brief account of the experiences of a German battalion of medium artillery during its maneuvers. Some of the more interesting data are as follows:
Average day's march: 18 miles.
Horse casualties: Strength 277.
35 horses lost a day or more of duty
53 horses had minor injuries and continued on duty.

Bicycle inner tubes over the draw ropes reduced chafing. The advance of the artillery at a trot to catch up with the advance guard should never be permitted. The staff, details, and communications, yes, but never the guns or the ammunition train.

I wonder what would be the average of casualties in a combat /operation's day (especially in a challenging theater as the eastern front....................

Source: MANÖVERERFAHRUNGEN EINER PFERDEBESPANNTEN SCHWEREN ARTILLERIE-ABTEILUNG. RML Nº 66. Sep 1937.
pic: http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-Photo-Book- ... 520wt_1362

Still reading those seven parts :). Cheers. Raúl M 8-).

Feliz Año Nuevo - Happy New Year - feliz Ano Novo - Glückliches Neues Jahr - Bonne Année - Felice Anno Nuovo - Szczęśliwego nowego roku!! :thumbsup:
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Re: horses

Post by tigre » 13 Jan 2016 20:01

Hello to all :D; something more: Cavalry units in the training ground!
Source: http://odkrywca.pl/forum_pics/picsforum23/3427159.jpg.
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Re: horses

Post by tigre » 21 Jan 2016 14:41

Hello to all :D; something more and a query
IMPORTANCE OF THE HORSE IN NATIONAL DEFENSE.

In Poland the breeding of horse was a government enterprise under the close supervision of the military. Since 70% of the population is engaged in agriculture the horse is the most widely used means of labor and transportation In the spring of 1939 Poland had 4,000,000 head of horses, of which one-fourth were animals under 4 years of age. The annual expenditure for feed amounted to 900,000,000 zlotys, a considerable sum in Poland's national economy.............................

The Polish state owned 13 stud farms, of which the most important is the one at Janov-Podlaski, founded in 1817, and which breeds Arabs and Anglo-Arabs; Polish Arabs being classed with the best in the world. Even the famous German stud farm at Trakehnen, East Prussia, purchased an Arab stallion from Janov in 1936 to provide new blood and to ameliorate their strain.

The Polish state had on these 13 farms 1,550 stallions and 87,000 mares. Outside of these pure breeds the country abounds in other types of horses, notably the small native Polish horse, and the mountain horse called “Hucul” (pony). These Polish horses have a long established reputation for their endurance, their resistance under harsh climatic conditions, and the fact that they are easy to feed......................

At the beginning of the war the Polish Cavalry fielded 37/38 cavalry regiments organized into 11 brigades. Polish cavalry received 58 million zloty in the 1938-39 military budget, or 7.3 percent of the total, compared to 46.3 million for the entire Air Force (5.8 percent). http://www.avalanchepress.com/PolishCavalry.php

Source: [L'importance du cheval pour la défense nationale.] Francois Vouga. RML Nº 75. Dec 1939.

I wonder how many of these animals passed the German army to strengthen its livestock? Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Re: horses

Post by tigre » 05 Aug 2016 01:10

Hello to all :D; something more........................

Pferdebespannte artillerie 1939! (Horse-drawn Artillery).

A battery had four light howitzers of 10.5 cm. The howitzers and observation carts were pulled by six horses; the ammunition carts for two horses and the rest of the baggage carts by one or two horses. The battery had about 130 men and about the same number of horses.

Source: http://www.ebay.de/itm/361475787918.

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Re: horses

Post by tigre » 14 Aug 2016 20:21

Hello to all :D; something more: Horse-drawn supply train - 1941.
Source: http://imf.forum24.ru/?1-2-0-00000011-000-280-0.

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Re: horses

Post by tigre » 23 Oct 2016 16:59

Hello to all :D; after a while: Barbarossa - Ukraine, Summer 1941!
Source: http://www.ebay.es/itm/Windmuhle-Mole-U ... SwRgJXhlcp.
http://www.ebay.es/itm/Sinti-und-Roma-Z ... Sw7XZXhlcM

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Re: horses

Post by tigre » 22 Feb 2017 00:01

Hello to all :D; more: Eastern Front!
Source: ttp://www.ebay.ch/itm/401178834043?clk_rvr_id ... rmvSB=true

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Re: horses

Post by tigre » 19 Jun 2017 00:38

Hello to all :D; more: Bilgoraj - Poland 1939!
German horse-drawn column of the 68. ID crossing the destroyed city of Bilgoraj (Poland)
Source: http://odkrywca.pl/wrzesien-1939-zdjeci ... 70553.html
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Re: horses

Post by tigre » 30 Jul 2017 15:32

Hello to all :D; more: Barbarossa 1941!
Source: http://www.ebay.es/itm/Foto-Fronteinsat ... 58e11b1163

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Re: horses

Post by gebhk » 31 Jul 2017 11:23

Great photos Tigre. Re the Polish photo above - I know you didn't provide the caption so this is not directed at you.

Why do people feel the urge to write and publish such outlandish nonsense? Every schoolchild in Poland knows that the wz 35 AT rifle was kept completely secret until virtually the outbreak of the war.

The photo does not, of course, come from any military instruction, let alone one from 1938. It is from a trial of various methods of carrying the rifle by a mounted man, carried out in August 1939 (in fact signed off on 30 or 31st August, so its conclusions had zero impact on the actual methods used). The rifle in the photo is not, in any case, an actual wz 1935 but something described as a Prussian hunting gun of similar weight and dimensions.

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Re: horses

Post by tigre » 31 Jul 2017 22:50

Thanks for that tip gebhk :wink:. Cheers. Raúl M 8-).

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Re: horses

Post by tigre » 10 Jun 2018 23:02

Hello to all :D; more: Denmark 1940.
Source: https://www.tradera.com/item/292215/303 ... ch-danmark

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Re: horses

Post by tigre » 16 Sep 2018 02:47

Hello to all :D; more: Eastern Front - Winter 1941-42..
Source: https://www.delcampe.net/de/sammlerobje ... 95625.html

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Re: horses

Post by Slava2012 » 09 Oct 2021 07:14

A car or a tank is good and fast, but only when there is gasoline and a good road, and the enemy does not step on his heels and does not breathe in his back. If the roads are muddy from mud, streams constantly come across on the way and the enemy with T-34 tanks gives panic to the units that received the order urgently retreat from the equipped lines on the Southern Bug River to the next equipped lines across the Dniester River, then turn me the cavalrymen were on horseback in that situation.According to German documents, almost all tank divisions made this march, throwing almost all the tanks, guns and vehicles into the impassable black earth mud of the Odessa region. And Russian reports are constantly full of traffes per day hundreds of German cars and motorcycles, dozens of tanks and guns and more than one captured horse.
From the words of a grandmother living in the village of Okulinovka:
-the German tank is going through the village, the soldiers are sitting on it, they drove to the stream in the center of the village, they stalled, they got down, they all took a sack of flour from the side of the tank, they threw flour and a machine gun onto a German cart with horses passing by, and all the infantrymen and tankers drove their heads down next to the cart to retreat to the west, and half an hour later Russian tanks burst into the village, in that villThe entire stream was clogged with stalled cars and motorcycles, and the locals longed for blankets and overcoats home for a long time, and each grandfather had a BMW motorcycle.age, after the war, people had five abandoned tanks in their gardens. Along that village is the deep Borodavsky Yar with a stream in the middle.

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