OoB of German Units in June of 1941 on the Eastern Front

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Post by Kunikov » 01 Aug 2005 00:48

PanzerKing wrote:Kunikov, I'm sorry but I have the 1939/1940 divisions which were supposedly the same on the eve of Barbarossa, but I have no '1941 Division'. Would you still want them because like I said, they were supposedly the same.
No that's ok, thanks for the try. I think I'll concentrate less so on the technical side of things, there's a lot of other stuff I can write about anyway, but again thank you for trying.

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Post by PanzerKing » 01 Aug 2005 06:13

I'm sorry about the mix up, I thought I had the 1941 Division. My fault! :cry:

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Post by Kunikov » 01 Aug 2005 06:16

PanzerKing wrote:I'm sorry about the mix up, I thought I had the 1941 Division. My fault! :cry:
Not at all, I appreciate the effort, at least someone was willing to help :D

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Post by Leo Niehorster » 01 Aug 2005 08:33

The exact source for the figures in my post above (Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:47):

"Kriegsgliederung 4. Armee am B-Tag"
AOK 4/Ia Nr. 040/41 gKdos, dated 15 June 1941

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Post by Kunikov » 01 Aug 2005 17:10

Leo Niehorster wrote:The exact source for the figures in my post above (Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:47):

"Kriegsgliederung 4. Armee am B-Tag"
AOK 4/Ia Nr. 040/41 gKdos, dated 15 June 1941

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Great! Thank you very much!

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Post by webmill » 16 Jan 2008 21:18

the Motorized Inf Divs, of which there were nine, for the East Front German Army on June 1941,

For example,from the Field Manual for tactics of the Motorized Infantry Regiments and Battalions for the German Armored Divisions: "the chief task of the motorised infantry is cooperation with tanks" and it is assumed by the Germans that the Motorised Inf regiment will be" equipped by support guns on a self propelled mount".
This is for the Mot. Inf Regiments of a Panzer Division , but it would be the
same for the Motorised Infantry Divisions,as Motorised Infantry Divisions, in 1942, had a Pz Abteilung, In June/July 1941;..the 3.ID mot, 14.ID mot ,and 18. ID mot., for example,...such as including the SS Wiking Mot Division (<SS PanzerJager-Abteilung 5);and
For example , such as PzJag Abt 3 for the 3.I.D. Mot;and the 14 ID mot.which did not have a PzJag Abt, but only two Infantry regiments motorised and a Motorcycle Battalion (KradSchutzen Abt. 54).

The support gun on a self propelled mount available was the sIG 150mm (on a Pz I chassis, a early Bison). in mid 1939 or by Feb 1940 there were 38 sIG 150mm SPG AFVs availible.

The concept of a heavy Infantry Gun on a tracked chassis was successful; thus to find the sIG 150mm on June 1941 and beyond on the East Front,would be a track and a place to look would be to check the Motorised Inf Divs, as it is their doctrine to have support guns on a self propelled mount, also I would check the regular Infantry Divisions; most likely on accounts of battle as the battles proceed into the summer and fall, I would assume; I am on the look for the tracks of the SIG 150mm SPG; Maybe someone on the forum has their precise locations in the German Army during the summer/Fall of 41?

The other support Gun on a self propelled mount was the PzJag 47mm Pak (using a Czech gun), of which there were 132 left in July'41

These two totals, I would suggest, should be included to the 272 StuG IIIs count in June 41 in addition to the Tank and Armored car counts of the Panzers Divisions

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Re: OoB of German Units in June of 1941 on the Eastern Front

Post by TheSearcher1941 » 28 Aug 2022 01:06

I am starting (again) to see if I can dig up anything on a relative from Barbarosa, Aug 1941, Borowiki, Belarus. I have some info, but not good with figuring his unit. Does anyone have info on units in the area of Borowiki, Beresina/Dnejpr rivers, beginning Aug, 1941? Can anyone point me?

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