'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

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'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

Post by jpz4 » 03 Jun 2022 11:26

Hello, I'm looking for the 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung der deutschen Wehrmacht' for 1940.

There are websites which have those of 10 May and 25 June, but I'm trying to figure out where the rest of the year can be found. Any ideas? Preferably a NARA microfilm, but I'm of course open to alternatives.

I'm currently looking into the German advance into France and its occupation following the Armistice, but 1940 is not my usual field of interest and I'm struggling to find sufficient records and/or Lagekarten to understand who was where, when. Any suggestions on such sources would be very much appreciated! So far it has been a complicated task of connection the dots, with a lot of dots missing :roll: :lol:

And yes, this is very much related to this post, which is in the 'WW2 in Western Europe & the Atlantic' subforum: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=255235&p=2323038
I've since gone the route of checking army, corps and division records, but I still encounter blank spots, which is why I'm giving it another try here :wink:

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Re: 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

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Re: 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

Post by jpz4 » 03 Jun 2022 14:50

Thank you for the suggestion.

Unfortunately that's not a 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung', which is just a basic (graphic) overview of Heeresgruppen down to division level.
Looks something like this: https://www.weltkrieg2.de/wehrmacht-kri ... tand-1940/
(I'll try to update this post with an example later)

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Re: 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

Post by jbroshot » 04 Jun 2022 21:20

Right, I misunderstood (old age strikes again)

Like this one, first page of 4
first page.pdf
From Kriegstagebuch des Oberkommandos der Wehrmacht, Volume 1

https://archive.org/details/kriegstagebuchde01jacorich
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Re: 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

Post by jpz4 » 06 Jun 2022 19:24

Yep, like that. Hadn't seen the 21.12.40 document yet, so that's part of the gap filled :thumbsup: Thanks!

The answer to my original question seems to be T78 R340 and/or T78 R710 BTW, but neither roll has not been digitized :roll:

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Re: 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

Post by jpz4 » 08 Jun 2022 15:17

jpz4 wrote:
06 Jun 2022 19:24
Yep, like that. Hadn't seen the 21.12.40 document yet, so that's part of the gap filled :thumbsup: Thanks!

The answer to my original question seems to be T78 R340 and/or T78 R710 BTW, but neither roll has not been digitized :roll:
FWIW, I just placed the order to get R710 partially digitized.
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Re: 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

Post by Germanicus » 08 Jun 2022 20:09

Hello jpz4

You would be aware of these schematics..yes??

https://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/glied ... hmain1.htm

April

"Weserübung" 9.April 1940

Juni

8., 9., 13., 16.

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Re: 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

Post by jpz4 » 08 Jun 2022 22:05

Thanks Mark.
Yes I know those, but my focus is on the period after the Armistice.

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Re: 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

Post by Germanicus » 08 Jun 2022 22:07

jpz4 wrote:
08 Jun 2022 22:05

Thanks Mark.
Yes I know those, but my focus is on the period after the Armistice.
Dear jpz4

I understand. All good

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Re: 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

Post by jpz4 » 08 Jun 2022 22:16

Really appreciated the suggestion Mark. It's not a period I'm familiar with so I don't really know what's out there

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Re: 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

Post by Germanicus » 08 Jun 2022 22:19

Dear jpz4

This may help

Schematische Kriegsgliederung, RH 2. Has also been published in Kurt Mehner's Geheime Tagesberichte der OKW, 12 vols.
Exists in full, for the period 8.6.40 - 31.12.43, and partly for 15.4.44 - 7.5.45

https://ww2.dk/bibliography.htm

https://bunkermuseumhanstholm.dk/en/lea ... 1940-1945/

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Re: 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

Post by Germanicus » 08 Jun 2022 22:50

Dear jpz4

The quickest available schematics are on the following site for each German Army 1939-1945:

http://www.diedeutschewehrmacht.eu/


http://www.diedeutschewehrmacht.de/Kriegsgliederung.htm

I hope this helps

Read this post jpz4

viewtopic.php?t=161879#p1421118

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Re: 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

Post by jpz4 » 09 Jun 2022 09:51

Excellent links! Thanks a lot. :thumbsup:
I noticed some Kriegsgliederungen are missing, but most seem to be there.

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Re: 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

Post by Germanicus » 09 Jun 2022 19:47

Dear jpz4

I am happy to have helped

please note the link above that I supplied with the .de [country] change it to .eu. Exactly as below.

http://www.diedeutschewehrmacht.eu/Kriegsgliederung.htm

For further information about that site, the owner still exists and is on the forum-der-wehrmacht.de.

I have corresponded with Jan a number of times and is a good guy. He goes under the moniker of Endzeit-Jan

The reason why you need to use the http://www.diedeutschewehrmacht.eu instead of the .de is because certain links do not work.

Under the .eu they do.

If you wish to get quite serious you can use the Internet Archive https://archive.org to go back in time in order to
access/download the missing links

For example the SS and Axis Units are available, you just have to go back to an earlier date to find them

https://web.archive.org/web/20040327113 ... rmacht.de/ that will get you the SS

https://web.archive.org/web/20050202201 ... rmacht.de/ that will get you the Axis Divisions

The original link for the OOB re: Armee was 'schematische Kriegsgliederungen' on that site

This is what the site stated on the 28/3/2004

28 3 2004.JPG

This is what the site stated on the 5/03/2005. The Axis Divisions have been added. They can be found in Verbündete

'schematische Kriegsgliederungen' has been changed to 'Kriegsgliederungen/Order of Battle'

5 3 2005.JPG

I hope this makes sense. I hope this helps you

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Re: 'Schematische Kriegsgliederung' for 1940?

Post by Germanicus » 10 Jun 2022 23:26

jpz4 wrote:
09 Jun 2022 09:51
Excellent links! Thanks a lot. :thumbsup:
I noticed some Kriegsgliederungen are missing, but most seem to be there.
Dear jpz4

The following links are accessable

Kommandobehörden

https://web.archive.org/web/20050202201 ... rmacht.de/

Waffen-SS

https://web.archive.org/web/20050306050 ... n%20ss.htm

Kriegsgliederungen/Order of Battle

https://web.archive.org/web/20050306050 ... derung.htm

Verbündete

https://web.archive.org/web/20050306050 ... Cndete.htm

Jan the owner of the site advised me yesterday that the The site is constantly updated. He has to change the update date.

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