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Schutzstaffel Veterans' Benefits

Post by Obi44 » 11 Oct 2021 15:13

I've commonly heard that the personnel of the SS did not receive pensions for their service unless they were part of the Waffen-SS and recruited after 1943 or were part of the units judged "not criminal" by the war crimes tribunals. Is this true, or were there other prerequisites to meet?

I'm mostly talking about the entirety of the SS, so Allgemeine and TV as well...though I can probably infer the outcome of the latter.
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Re: Schutzstaffel Veterans' Benefits

Post by Hans1906 » 11 Oct 2021 15:30

Maybe you like to search once again on this german topic: "rente ss".

https://www.google.com/search?q=rente+s ... AHoECAEQAA

I do not want to write any further on this subject, this topic is still omnipresent here in Germany, and I will be careful not to write a personal opinion on this topic here.

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Re: Schutzstaffel Veterans' Benefits

Post by Obi44 » 11 Oct 2021 17:22

Hans1906 wrote:
11 Oct 2021 15:30
Maybe you like to search once again on this german topic: "rente ss".

https://www.google.com/search?q=rente+s ... AHoECAEQAA

I do not want to write any further on this subject, this topic is still omnipresent here in Germany, and I will be careful not to write a personal opinion on this topic here.

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Thank you, Hans, and I understand your apprehension for the subject. Again, thanks for doing your best!
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Re: Schutzstaffel Veterans' Benefits

Post by Hans1906 » 11 Oct 2021 17:41

You are welcome Obi44,

you also may want to try another search for "Versorgungsanspruch / Versorgungsansprüche" related to the SS / Waffen-SS.

In German jurisprudence, a very complex issue, as well as for the still living descendants in today's time.


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Re: Schutzstaffel Veterans' Benefits

Post by Hans1906 » 13 Oct 2021 19:00

My grandmother received a pension after the death of her husband, who had held officer ranks in what was then the RAD for many years.
This pension corresponded to the rank of Major, a very adequate pension for my grandmother.

My grandmother came from the simplest of backgrounds, and marriage was a kind of advancement into bourgeois society.

Since the RAD was not classified as a war criminal organization after 1945, this was possible.

Without this widow's pension, my grandmother would have ended up in poverty in her own old age.
The "status" of a Major in the RAD at that time was given the status of a civil servant of equal rank in the German administration after 1945.

If her then husband had been a member of the SS, or the Waffen-SS, the lady would probably have had to live on a very small social pension in later years.

I have several binders full of documents on this subject, but this topic is so complex, all that unfortunately cannot be covered here in this forum.


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Re: Schutzstaffel Veterans' Benefits

Post by Obi44 » 13 Oct 2021 19:05

Thank you, Hans. I'm very glad your grandmother was able to receive her pension and avoid poverty, at least for some time, considering the state of Germany after the war.
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Re: Schutzstaffel Veterans' Benefits

Post by Hans1906 » 13 Oct 2021 19:24

You are welcome Obi44,

still as a very aged lady my grandmother remembered how much and for many years the former RAD members fought for this later recognition in German courts.

Long time ago, almost no longer true...


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Re: Schutzstaffel Veterans' Benefits

Post by Hans1906 » 13 Oct 2021 20:12

I remember one or two veterans of the "General SS" / "Allgemeine SS" who were known in our childhood years in my hometown.

These men were "left out", the men were shunned, a very strange memory.
One worked as a messenger for a local company, one as a barber.

We children were taught not to "tease" these men, had we children done so, we would have been punished for it.

The nickname of the barber at the time was "Big Flitschi!". :roll:
One funny twitch, and our hair was off, up to the crown!

Both men disappeared without a trace in later years, local chronicles give nothing about them...


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Re: Schutzstaffel Veterans' Benefits

Post by Hans1906 » 15 Oct 2021 15:24

Addendum,

it is important to mention, that many members of former organizations had no pension rights.
Former members of a "Verbrecherische Organisation" / "Criminal Organization" had slipped into a German everyday life, disguising their past from the years before 1945.

The few people, I remember from my childhood and early adolescence, lived inconspicuous lives.
Their immediate neighbors were certainly aware of their stories, they did not talk about it, very typical of those years.

Much was swept under the dirty carpet of the former National Socialism in later years, the facts are known to us all today.


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Re: Schutzstaffel Veterans' Benefits

Post by Obi44 » 16 Oct 2021 01:51

Hans1906 wrote:
13 Oct 2021 20:12
I remember one or two veterans of the "General SS" / "Allgemeine SS" who were known in our childhood years in my hometown.

These men were "left out", the men were shunned, a very strange memory.
One worked as a messenger for a local company, one as a barber.

We children were taught not to "tease" these men, had we children done so, we would have been punished for it.

The nickname of the barber at the time was "Big Flitschi!". :roll:
One funny twitch, and our hair was off, up to the crown!

Both men disappeared without a trace in later years, local chronicles give nothing about them...


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Is it possible they were apprehended by the authorities as their former occupations were discovered, or had they already been "vetted?"
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Re: Schutzstaffel Veterans' Benefits

Post by Hans1906 » 20 Oct 2021 14:44

Obi44,

what became of the two men above in later years, is unfortunately unknown to me.

In my grandparents' companies, a man from Alsace, a former member of the Waffen-SS, worked as an accountant.
I know that the man was sentenced to death in absentia in France after 1945, his former Waffen-SS unit was involved in war crimes before 1945.

Whether the man was ever prosecuted, that is also unknown to me.
The man passed away in the 1970s in my hometown in North Germany.

I wrote about this in another thread before, and will not repeat it in this thread.


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Re: Schutzstaffel Veterans' Benefits

Post by Hans1906 » 20 Oct 2021 21:24

Last, yes, my grandparents hired such a man as an accountant in their companies, and I don't know why.

Probably the grandparents felt pity for the man, maybe it was an understanding of his past deeds, I don't know.

The man told his story only once to my grandmother, on the occasion of a celebration in the late 1960s.
He was drunk as a skunk, crying to my grandmother about his fate before 1945.
This reminded my grandmother decades later, even at an advanced age, the lady had forgotten nothing, not a single detail.

I will not judge all this, decades later. At the age of 17 years, the young man joined the Waffen-SS.


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