9th Parachute Division Manpower

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9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by I have questions » 18 Jul 2021 21:48

The 9th Parachute Division was formed in December 1944 and saw heavy action on the Oder Front toward the end of the war.

I've heard interesting things about this unit. I've seen it described as a good combat unit, and I've seen it described as a typical desperate late war creation. I suppose both could be true, but what I was wondering is who made up this division? Given the elite status of airborne units around the world (side note: I'm aware that some of the late war German paratroop units were airborne in name only, the 9th being one of them, and their elite status could be questionable at times), would a new parachute division receive at least a corps of experienced NCOs? Or some extra training? Equipment?

As far as english language resources are concerned, I can't find much on this unit. The main questions I want answered is generally how many of the division's soldiers were veterans at the time of its formation and what the overall unit quality was.

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Re: 9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by matt78 » 24 Jul 2021 15:20

The information i have is from Samuel W Mitcham it says the 9th was formed from a assortment of Luftwaffe ground units around stet-tin area in December 1944 it does say that there was some parachute troops in the division

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Re: 9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by AETIUS 1980 » 08 Aug 2021 11:31

You should take a look with A.Stephan HAMILTON (The Oder Front Volume 2). You will get all the information you need.
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Re: 9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by CNE503 » 08 Aug 2021 11:41

According to some sources, 9. Fallschirmjäger-Division accounted for around 11 600 men on April 8th, 1945, most of them not being paratroopers at all (except some officers like Bruno Bräuer or some veterans).
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Re: 9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by Germanicus » 12 Sep 2021 10:06

CNE503 wrote:
08 Aug 2021 11:41
According to some sources, 9. Fallschirmjäger-Division accounted for around 11 600 men on April 8th, 1945, most of them not being paratroopers at all (except some officers like Bruno Bräuer or some veterans).
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https://www.feldgrau.com/ww2-german-9th ... -division/

Dear I have questions.

I do not know if this will help. Someone published a book.

9th Parachute Division (Germany)
Battle of the Seelow Heights, 1st Ukrainian Front, 1st Ukrainian Front, Heer (1935–1945)
Dic Press (2012-02-03 )

76 pages.

https://www.morebooks.de/store/gb/book/ ... -8-48474-5

'Soldier of the 9th Fallschirmjäger Division surrenders after fighting in Berlin. Although the photo was not taken in West Pomerania it is interesting for another reason - it shows how uniformed were soldiers of this division since they had been issued paratroopers stuff. However in February 1945 each division battalion looked quite different...'
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Re: 9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by Linkagain » 12 Sep 2021 17:42

See Cornelius Ryans "The LASt Battle".....

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Re: 9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by Kurtsuljo » 03 Nov 2022 20:01

The 9th fallschirmjäger division had a company of Arab voulnteers numbering 80-100 company size these men were actual fallschirmjägers unlike most of the division since they were specially trained as fallschirmjäger prior they fought with very good results.

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Re: 9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by Doktor Krollspell » 07 Jan 2023 10:52

CNE503 wrote:
08 Aug 2021 11:41
According to some sources, 9. Fallschirmjäger-Division accounted for around 11 600 men on April 8th, 1945, most of them not being paratroopers at all (except some officers like Bruno Bräuer or some veterans).
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After hard combat in Pommern in the winter/spring of 1945, the Divisional units came together in early April 1945 together with new reinforcements to form the actual 9. Fallschirmjäger-Divison. The Divisional strength at the time (early April) was around 8000 men, although on April15 just before the Soviet offensive againstt Berlin started, the Division counted just 6758 men.
Für die ersten Tage des Monats April 1945, als die Formierung und "Auffrischung" des Großverbandes erfolgt war, weisen ungefähre Angaben auf ungefähr 8 000 Mann Gefechtsstärke hin - eine für diese Endphase des Krieges relativ hohe numerische Stärke. Aber schon vor der sowjetischen Offensive sank durch vorangegangenen Kämpfe diese Zahl: Am 15.4.45 wurden noch 6 758 Mann gemeldet.
Source: Hans-Martin Stimpel, "Die deutsche Fallschirmtruppe 1942-1945: Einsätze auf Kriegsschauplätzen im Osten und Westen" (2001).


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Re: 9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by Kelvin » 08 Jan 2023 14:16

I have questions wrote:
18 Jul 2021 21:48
The 9th Parachute Division was formed in December 1944 and saw heavy action on the Oder Front toward the end of the war.

I've heard interesting things about this unit. I've seen it described as a good combat unit, and I've seen it described as a typical desperate late war creation. I suppose both could be true, but what I was wondering is who made up this division? Given the elite status of airborne units around the world (side note: I'm aware that some of the late war German paratroop units were airborne in name only, the 9th being one of them, and their elite status could be questionable at times), would a new parachute division receive at least a corps of experienced NCOs? Or some extra training? Equipment?

As far as english language resources are concerned, I can't find much on this unit. The main questions I want answered is generally how many of the division's soldiers were veterans at the time of its formation and what the overall unit quality was.

thank you
9.Fallschirmjager Division was formed from mainly Luffwaffe units : 51,52,53,54,56.Fsch.Jg.bataillons, Fsch.Jg bataillon Brandenburg, Fsch.Jg.bataillon Hermann, II and III/Fsch.Flak Regiment 11 and Fsch.Flak Abteilung 12.
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Re: 9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by Kelvin » 08 Jan 2023 14:17

I have questions wrote:
18 Jul 2021 21:48
The 9th Parachute Division was formed in December 1944 and saw heavy action on the Oder Front toward the end of the war.

I've heard interesting things about this unit. I've seen it described as a good combat unit, and I've seen it described as a typical desperate late war creation. I suppose both could be true, but what I was wondering is who made up this division? Given the elite status of airborne units around the world (side note: I'm aware that some of the late war German paratroop units were airborne in name only, the 9th being one of them, and their elite status could be questionable at times), would a new parachute division receive at least a corps of experienced NCOs? Or some extra training? Equipment?

As far as english language resources are concerned, I can't find much on this unit. The main questions I want answered is generally how many of the division's soldiers were veterans at the time of its formation and what the overall unit quality was.

thank you
9.Fallschirmjager Division was formed from mainly Luffwaffe units : 51,52,53,54,56.Fsch.Jg.bataillons, Fsch.Jg bataillon Brandenburg, Fsch.Jg.bataillon Hermann, II and III/Fsch.Flak Regiment 11 and Fsch.Flak Abteilung.

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Re: 9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by Art » 09 Jan 2023 09:13

Doktor Krollspell wrote:
07 Jan 2023 10:52
The Divisional strength at the time (early April) was around 8000 men, although on April15 just before the Soviet offensive againstt Berlin started, the Division counted just 6758 men.
That was a fighting (combat) strength. The division was an unusually strong unit, as far as the personnel strength is concerned, although the quality of personnel and training (as implied by Kampfwert III) was probably not that good.
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Re: 9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by Doktor Krollspell » 09 Jan 2023 21:32

Art wrote:
09 Jan 2023 09:13
Doktor Krollspell wrote:
07 Jan 2023 10:52
The Divisional strength at the time (early April) was around 8000 men, although on April15 just before the Soviet offensive againstt Berlin started, the Division counted just 6758 men.
That was a fighting (combat) strength. The division was an unusually strong unit, as far as the personnel strength is concerned, although the quality of personnel and training (as implied by Kampfwert III) was probably not that good.
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Thanks, Art, for the very interesting chart "Übersicht über Gliederung u. Kampfkraft der Div. : 9. Armee". I've never seen that one before...


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Re: 9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by marthus » 10 Jan 2023 12:39

Hello Art

Would it be possible to have the same tables for the 3rd and 4th German armored armies at the same period of April 1945.
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Re: 9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by Art » 10 Jan 2023 17:04

Only 3 Panzer Army.
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Re: 9th Parachute Division Manpower

Post by marthus » 10 Jan 2023 19:08

thank you very much art

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