Panzer kills for 'Panzer Commander Aces' and 'Panzer Gunner Aces'

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Re: Panzer kills for 'Panzer Commander Aces' and 'Panzer Gunner Aces'

Post by Edward L. Hsiao » 08 Oct 2018 08:31

SS-Ustuf Karl Bormmann had plenty of tank combat ahead of him after the 66 kills over Soviet tanks in 1945. I believe Bormmann had plenty of tank kills early in his career in 1944. Unfortunately there is no final kill score over enemy tanks at the War's end for Bormmann. Could be close to 100.

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Post by Edward L. Hsiao » 13 Nov 2018 04:10

Gentlemen,

What a battalion commander of a Panzer-Abteilung do? I'm rather surprised that he didn't have a high score of tank kills just like the low-ranking tank commanders does.

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 13 Nov 2018 11:22

Because they had much more 'work' than simply tagetting other tanks?

Already a Kompaniechef had to lead his tanks, to direct the targets to his Kommandanten. While an Abt.Kdr. had to communicate with his superiors, to lead his companies in battle, to coordinate subordinated units and so on.

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Post by Edward L. Hsiao » 18 Nov 2018 07:22

Major Willy Jahde,commander of the Heavy Panzer-Abteilung 502 destroyed nine Soviet tanks in one action. Source:page 163 of the book "Panzer Aces III" by Franz Kurowski.
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Post by lartiste » 30 Nov 2018 01:18

Edward L. Hsiao wrote:
08 Oct 2018 08:31
SS-Ustuf Karl Bormmann had plenty of tank combat ahead of him after the 66 kills over Soviet tanks in 1945. I believe Bormmann had plenty of tank kills early in his career in 1944. Unfortunately there is no final kill score over enemy tanks at the War's end for Bormmann. Could be close to 100.

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Karl Brommann please.

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Post by Edward L. Hsiao » 02 Dec 2018 06:20

Sorry my mistake of the spelling of the last name of Karl Brommann. It's not Bormmann.

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Post by Edward L. Hsiao » 23 Jan 2019 07:25

Anymore names of Panzer Commander Aces that could be add?


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Post by Edward L. Hsiao » 01 Mar 2019 23:31

The name Arno Giesen is a nom de guerre. The man's real name was Arnold Friesen. Information is from another topic of this forum.

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Post by pintere » 14 Sep 2019 15:40

Leo Hartmann commanded the 3./Sturmgeschütz-Brigade 311 (renamed Panzerkompanie "Breslau") during the siege of Breslau. In this battle he was credited with 16 enemy tanks and assault guns destroyed.

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Post by Cult Icon » 15 Nov 2019 03:14

Deutsch, Heinz, Olt. (FschStuGBrig.12) (StuG.III) (RK) – 46

Appears to the bet the highest scoring "ace" on the Western Front. Some bio info : pg.495-496 , The Noise of Battle, Colvin. First kill on July 13 at St. Lo while supporting 3FJD. Awarded EKI for 13 tank kills on Feb 25. GCG March 5th, 1945. RK April 15, 1945. 44 kills in total. Survived the war.

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Post by pintere » 26 Nov 2019 21:23

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Oakleaves holder Josef Jakwert yet. Ending the war in the Panzerjäger-Abteilung 1562, he was credited with 51 tanks destroyed.

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Post by pintere » 27 Nov 2019 20:16

According to his Knight's Cross recommendation, SS-Obersturmführer Hurdelbrink was responsible for 36 enemy tanks destroyed in the time period 08.08.-16.08.1944.

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Post by Edward L. Hsiao » 15 Dec 2020 23:38

Well it's been over a year now since that last post. Any more names that comes to your mind?

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Post by Cult Icon » 19 Dec 2020 01:18

Edward L. Hsiao wrote:
15 Dec 2020 23:38
Well it's been over a year now since that last post. Any more names that comes to your mind?

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Anybody who has a copy of this or has a list of the Waffen SS RK's during this period could contribute?

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=253213

June-August 1944, the I SS and II SS Panzer Korps were in Normandy, Wiking and Totenkopf were engaged in some of the heaviest armored combat east of Warsaw.

I'll have to wait until 2021. USPS is severely bogged down right now.

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Post by pintere » 21 Dec 2020 22:06

I've been rather preoccupied with my Knight's Cross work lately, however I recently acquired a number of late-war Verleihungsvorschläge and have the following names (all Heer Ritterkreuzträger) to add to the list...

Feldwebel Robert Fischer: 13
Unteroffizier Rudolf Kettmann: at least 10
Oberwachtmeister Heinz Ott: 47
Wachtmeister Rudolf Tessenow: 11

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