LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by smetanin albert » 09 Jun 2021 08:24

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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by filigranofil » 18 Sep 2022 11:19

Hello,

list of LSSAH casualty in Greece 1941, which put @j keenan in post on 14. Jan 2013 was pretty exact for the document which was available in that time.

The only problem is that some of this casulties was occured on territory of Kingdom of Yugoslavia, so in "Jugoslawienfeldzug" (the invasion of Yugoslavia, also known as the April War or Operation 25). Of course invasion of Yugoslavia was part of "Balkanfeldzug" (invasion of Yugoslavia and Greece).
Problem is, that casualties was given for German forces normaly only as Balkans campaign (so Yugoslavia and Greece).

To find which casualties from @j keenan list was occour in West Macedonia (Yugoslavia, today North Macedonia) is not so easy.
From this @j keenan list (102 soldiers) was occour casualties on territory of Yugoslavia for some 5 % of them fallen on 10.4.1941 but for sure for:

Sieber Fritz Friedrich Andreas, SS-Rttf. I./A.R.L.A.H., fallen on 10.4.1941 on road Prilep-Bitolj (Monastir), buried between km 82 and km 83 along road Prilep-Bitolj (NARA T354R224, Nr. 3892019).

Volksbund Data:
Friedrich Andreas Sieber
Geburtsdatum: 08.05.1919

Geburtsort: Mingolsheim, Germany

Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 10.04.1941

Todes-/Vermisstenort: Straße (road) Prilep-Bitolj (Monastir), Macedonia, Yugoslavia

Dienstgrad: Rottenführer


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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by Peter » 18 Sep 2022 14:57

Reinhold Ramspeck named in Albert's list above died later in Ukraine on 27 Nov 1943 as SS-Uscha at Kasatin/Ukr, Feldlaz. 776 mot.

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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by filigranofil » 20 Sep 2022 16:01

Hello Peter,

thanks for Data.

But we want in the moment put some Soldiers, fallen in Kingdom Yugoslavia ("Jugoslawienfeldzug"), out of @j keenan list (102 soldiers).

First one was for sure:
Sieber Fritz Friedrich Andreas, SS-Rttf. I./A.R.L.A.H., fallen on 10.4.1941 on road Prilep-Bitolj (Monastir)

Second one was for sure Kunz Otto, SS-man, fallen on 10.4.1941 by Mogila, 2/Nachr. Abt.1

Volksbund Data: Otto Kunz
Geburtsdatum: 17.12.1922

Geburtsort: Duisburg/Düsseldorf

Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 10.04.1941

Todes-/Vermisstenort: westl.Mogila

Dienstgrad: Soldat

Deathplace Mogila is between Bitolj and Prilep in today Republic Northern Macedonia (on that time Yugoslavia).
Today is his Grave on Volksbund Cemetery in Prilep.


LSSAH soldiers, which was wounded in action in Greece and afterwards died in Hospitals in Yugoslavia because of woundes, will stay in list "LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941.

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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by Peter » 20 Sep 2022 16:16

I have this one in my file for Greece but will look also for Yugoslavia

Gottfried Henke
SS-Rottenführer
born 25 Jul 1919
at Ebersbach bei Löbau
With 5 Kp/LSSA H
Died 10 Apr 1941 of burns
at Marina/Griechenland
Erk.Mk. 83/ 1 LAH

Henke, Krischik and Koops died of burns (flamethrower ??)

Ferdinand Koops
SS-Rottenführer
born 14 Nov 1920
at Grünhorst Eckernförde
With 5 Kp/LSSAH
Died 10 Apr 1941 of burns
at Marina/Griechenland

Egon Krischik
SS-Mann
born 25 Sep 1920
at Kirchdornberg Bielefeld
With 5 Kp/LSSAH
Died 10 Apr 1941 of burns
at Marina/Griechenland
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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by Peter » 20 Sep 2022 16:36

Heinz Adolf Friedrich Bohn
SS-Mann
born 2 Dec 1920
at Hanover
with 2/A A/ LSSAHH
Died 10 Apr 1941
at Bitolj/Jugoslawien
Erk.Mk. -1686- 2 K.R.E. Kp

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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by Peter » 20 Sep 2022 16:42

But this one is Greece but also says Bitolj, north entrance to Klidi-Pass, east of Pagajamis-Perdika, I will leave you to decide.

Herbert Lenz
Ss-Sturmmann
born 11 Dec 1920
at Lünen, Dortmund
with 4/ LSSAH
Died 10 Apr 1941
at Veri/Griechenland

Do you want casualties of Regiment "Der Führer" ?

Felix Hummelsberger
SS-Unterscharführer
born 1 Sep 1920
at Lunz a See, Niederdonau
with 10 Kp/SS-DF
Wounded 11 Apr 1941Jermenovci - gun shot wounds to lungs
Died 8 May 1941 at Res Laz Fürth/Bayern


Hans-Hermann Albrecht
SS-Mann
born 7 Apr 1920
in Blumental
with 3/Pi Btl/ LSSAH
Died 11 Apr 1941
at Straße Bahndamm b. Veri/Griechenland, Bitolj Ptolemais (nordeingang d. Passes Klidi)

Robert Klapper
SS-Mann
born 20 Sep 1920
at Bergkamen Unna
with II/L A H.
Wounded 12 Apr 1941 by machinegun fire
at Vevi
Died 29 May 1941 at 1830 hours Laz Erlangen

Georg Hill
SS-Mann
born 24 Apr 1920
at Rössel
with 3 Kp/ LSSAH
Died 12 Apr 1941
at Klidi-Pass/Griechenland. Bitolj/Ptolemais

Do you want these or do you only want Yugoslavia, my knowledge of the area is not good so I dont know which is Greece unless it clearly says

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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by filigranofil » 20 Sep 2022 19:36

Hello Peter,

you solved the problem with Henke Gottfried :thumbsup:

@j keenan List (14. Jan 2013:

can't find any other source though
Henke, Alfred, ki.a 4.41, 5/LAH could be Henke, Gottfried, d.o.b 25.7.19, Strm.
Seifer, Walter, k.i.a. 11.4.41, 1/LAH

Now is clear that it is Henke Gottfried, d.o.b. 25.7.1919
Gottfried Henke
SS-Rottenführer
born 25 Jul 1919
at Ebersbach bei Löbau
With 5 Kp/LSSA H
Died 10 Apr 1941 of burns at Marina/Griechenland
Erk.Mk. 83/ 1 LAH

Volksbund Data:
Gottfried Henke
Geburtsdatum: 25.07.1919

Geburtsort: Ebersbach Löbau/Sa.

Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 10.04.1941

Todes-/Vermisstenort: Marina, Greece; 9 km from border Greece-Yugoslavia

Dienstgrad: Rottenführer

Today Cemetery: Dionyssos-Rapendoza


Henke Gottfried will stay in list "LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941".

Also Ferdinand Koops and Egon Krischik, death place in Marina will stay in list "LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941".

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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by filigranofil » 20 Sep 2022 20:33

Hello,

we do not need to control all soldiers list "LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941".

Problem is only the first day of entrance of LSSAH in Greece on 10.4.1941 and maybe 11.4.1941.

@ltcolonel put on site mycity-military.com theme about German casualties in April war in Yugoslavia (in serbian language: Nemački gubici u aprilskom ratu (1941).
link: https://www.mycity-military.com/Drugi-s ... -ratu.html

This list is for two days: 10.4.1941 and 11.4.1941.
@ltcolonel (= Nebojsa Dokic, war historian) claim, that all soldiers LSSAH from list 10.4.1941 died for sure (100%) in Yugoslavia because of fighting wit Yugoslav Army. For those fallen on 11.4.1941 said:with high probability died because of fighting with Yugoslav Army.

We must control only the soldiers from this two days: 10.4.1941 and 11.4.1941 if they really fallen in Action against Yugoslav Army:

@ltcolonel list:
10.4.1941:
Beier, Rolf, d.o.b. 9.2.21-10.4.41, 3/Pi.Btl.1, SS-Mann
Bohn, Walter, d.o.b. 2.12.20-10.4.41, 2/AA1, SS-Mann
van de Borght, Waldemar, d.o.b. 11.12.21-10.4.41, 1/LAH, SS-Mann
Claus, Johann, d.o.b. 6.5.13, Died of wounds 10.4.41, 1.Kp.V/LAH, SS-Rttf.
Dejonge, Heinrich, d.o.b. 6.10.19, Died of wounds 10.4.41, 6/LAH, SS-Mann
Doll, Helmut, d.o.b.29.10.19, Died of wounds 10.4.41, 4/AA1, SS-Mann
Koch, Georg, d.o.b. 4.4.14-10.4.41, 3/LAH, SS-Oscha.
Krischik, Egon, d.o.b. 25.9.20, Died of wounds 10.4.41, 5/LAH, SS-Mann
Kunz, Otto, d.o.b. 17.12.22-10.4.41, 2/Nachr.Abt.1, SS-Mann
Moser, Wilhelm, d.o.b. 10.11.18-10.4.41 or 11.4.41, 2/AA1, SS-Mann
Sieber, Friedrich, d.o.b. 8.5.19-10.4.41, Stab.I/Art.Rgt.1, SS-Rttf.
Witt, Franz, d.o.b. 21.9.13-10.4.41, 3/LAH, SS-Ustuf.

11.4.1941:
Albrecht, Hans, d.o.b. 7.4.20-11.4.41, 3/Pi.Btl.1, SS-Mann
Buse, Martin, d.o.b.23.1.24-11.4.41, 2/LAH, SS-Mann
Birk, Herbert, d.o.b. 25.12.22-11.4.41, 4/AA1, SS-Mann
Farken, Willi, d.o.b. 1.3.21-11.4.41, 4/AA1, SS-Mann
Füllert, Gerhard, d.o.b. 11.11.21-11.4.41, 10/LAH, SS-Strm.
Grosse, Heinz, d.o.b. 6.1.21-11.4.41, 6/Art.Rgt.1, SS-Mann
Klöckner, Heinz, d.o.b. 6.6.22-11.4.41, 1/LAH, SS-Strm
Mohr, Siegfried, d.o.b. 5.11.15-11.4.4, 1/LAH, SS-Uscha.
Rambow, Hans, d.o.b. 7.1.21-11.4.41, 3/LAH, SS-Mann
Wallbaum, Gerhard, d.o.b. 11.10.22-11.4.41, 2/LAH, SS-Mann
Seifer, Walter, k.i.a. 11.4.41, 1/LAH


Results:
Already solved by @Peter:

Krischik, Egon, d.o.b. 25.9.20, Died of wounds 10.4.41, 5/LAH, SS-Mann

Egon Krischik
SS-Mann
born 25 Sep 1920 at Kirchdornberg Bielefeld
With 5 Kp/LSSAH
Died 10 Apr 1941 of burns
at Marina/Griechenland

So Krischik Egon was not fallen with the Yugoslav Army but in Greece.
He will stay in list "LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941".

Already solved by @filigranofil:

Sieber Fritz Friedrich Andreas, SS-Rttf. I./A.R.L.A.H., fallen on 10.4.1941 on road Prilep-Bitolj (Monastir), buried between km 82 and km 83 along road Prilep-Bitolj (NARA T354R224, Nr. 3892019).

Yes, Nebojsa Dokic is right, Sieber Fritz Friedrich was fallen in fight with Yugoslav Army.

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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by filigranofil » 21 Sep 2022 01:13

Hello,

@Peter solve also Problems with:

Herbert Lenz
Ss-Sturmmann
born 11 Dec 1920 at Lünen, Dortmund
with 4/ LSSAH
Died 10 Apr 1941
at Veri/Griechenland (must be: Vevi/Griechenland)

Volksbund Data:

Herbert Gustav Karl Lenz
Geburtsdatum:11.12.1920

Geburtsort: Lünen

Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 12.04.1941

Todes-/Vermisstenort: Vivi (must be Vevi, Greece)

Dienstgrad: Sturmmann
Todays Cemetery: Dionyssos-Rapendoza

So Herbert Lenz stay in list "LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941".



Hans-Hermann Albrecht
SS-Mann
born 7 Apr 1920 in Blumental
with 3/Pi Btl/ LSSAH
Died 11 Apr 1941
at Straße Bahndamm b. Veri/Griechenland (nordeingang d. Passes Klidi on the road Bitolj- Ptolemaida) (must be: Vevi)

Volksbund Data:
Hans Hermann Albrecht
Geburtsdatum: 07.04.1920

Geburtsort: Blumenthal

Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 11.04.1941

Todes-/Vermisstenort: Veri, Griechenland (must be: Vevi)

Dienstgrad: Soldat
Today Cemetery: Dionyssos-Rapendoza

So Hans-Hermann Albrecht stay in list "LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941."


Georg Hill
SS-Mann
born 24 Apr 1920 at Rössel
with 3 Kp/ LSSAH
Died 12 Apr 1941
at Klidi-Pass/Griechenland (road Bitolj/Ptolemais)

Volksbund Data:
Georg Hill
Geburtsdatum: 24.04.1920

Geburtsort:Rössel

Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 12.04.1941

Todes-/Vermisstenort: Klidi-Paß/Florina

Dienstgrad: Soldat
Today Cemetery: Dionyssos-Rapendoza

So Georg Hill stay in list "LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941."

We can conclude, that all soldier, which is today buried on Volksbund Cemetery Dionyssos-Rapendoza was fallen in Greece.

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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by Peter » 21 Sep 2022 11:04

Rolf-Richard Beyer
SS-Mann
born 9 Feb 1921
at Böhlitz-Ehrenberg
with 3 Pi./LSSAH
Died 10 Apr 1941
at Marina di Pisa
Buried beside the road Bitolj-Ptolemais

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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by Peter » 21 Sep 2022 11:10

Waldemar v. d. Borgth
SS-Mann
born 11 Dec 1921
at Einbeck Hannover
with 1/LSSAH
Died 10 Apr 1941
at Klidi
buried beside the road Bitolj-Ptolemais (north entry to the Pass)

Otto Kunz
SS-Mann
born 17 Dec/17 Sep 1922
at Düisbürg/Düsseldorf
with 2/Nachrichten Abt LAH
died 10 Apr 1941 during air attack at Prilep-Bitolj (westl Mogila)
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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by Peter » 21 Sep 2022 11:18

Johann-Gustav Claus
SS-Rottenführer
born 6 May 1913
at Morrburg Ohlenburg
with 1 Kp/V/LSSAH
Died 11 Apr 1941 at Feld.laz.Bitoly/Jugoslawien
had been wounded 10 Apr 1941 at Niki
buried in temporary cemetery Bitoly behind cemetery

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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by Peter » 21 Sep 2022 11:24

Heinrich-Wilhelm deJonge
SS-Mann
born 6 Oct 1919
at Emden
with 1/LSSAH
wounded 10 Apr 1941 at Niki/Griechenland
Died 11 Apr 1941
bei Bitolÿ/Yugoslawien
Feldgrab Bitoly/SüdYugoslawien
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Re: LSSAH casualties in Greece 1941

Post by Peter » 21 Sep 2022 11:35

Helmut Paul Max Doll
SS-Mann
born 29 Oct 1919
at Breslau
with 4 Komp/LSSAH
Died of wounds 10 Apr 1941 - grenade fragments
at Truppen U. Pl. Bitoly/Jugoslawien


Georg Koch
SS-Oberscharführer
born 4 Apr 1914
at Ketschendorf
with 3 Kp/LSSAH
Died 10 Apr 1941 - explosion of a mine
at Vevi/Griechenland
Buried beside the road Bitoly-Ptolemais
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