Heeresschule I / Btls.Fhr-Lehrgang Güstrow

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Heeresschule I / Btls.Fhr-Lehrgang Güstrow

Post by Bernd R » 22 May 2008 16:49

Hi all,

does anyone know something about formation / structure / personnel / fate of

Heeresschule I = Heeresschule für Bataillons- und Abteilungsführer, Güstrow

former Bataillonsführer-Lehrgang Güstrow

is it the same or late war structure of OKH-Führerreserve, Ost ?

Was it ever incorporated to Infanterie-Division "Güstrow" (4. RAD-Div.) ?

Bernd

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Re: Heeresschule I / Btls.Fhr-Lehrgang Güstrow

Post by Bernd R » 15 Jul 2009 17:03

Additional questions :
- was this school in succession to the Heeresschule für Btl.- und Abt.Führer, Antwerpen (Mourmelon before) ?
- was the school in Antwerpen moved and garrisoned with a short intermediate stay in Bastogne ?

The school in Güstrow / Mecklenburg appears also with the designation "Heeresschule 1".

One of the Lehrgangskommandeure in 00.00.1945 was Oberst Heinrich Busse.

/ Bernd

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Re: Heeresschule I / Btls.Fhr-Lehrgang Güstrow

Post by Rossano » 28 Jun 2019 06:58

Hello, after so much time......I too have some questions
Was the Heeresschule (f. Btl. u. Abt.Fhr.) Güstrow the same school which before was in Ohrdruf (and in such a case from when was it in Ohrdruf and when moved to Güstrow ?), or 2 different schools (and in such a case from to when did they exhist ?) ? Thanks

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Re: Heeresschule I / Btls.Fhr-Lehrgang Güstrow

Post by hero. » 25 Jul 2022 11:22

Hello!

Regarding some of the questions :
This was always the same school. (For details see below).
a) The FPN remained always the same :
FPN 08020 :
(15.7.1942-24.1.1943) Btls. Führerschule Mourmelan,
(1.8.1943-23.3.1944) 27.9.1943 Btls. Führer-Schule Antwerpen,
(7.11.1944-Kriegsende) 5.12.1944 H. Schule für Bataillon u. Abteilung Führer.

b) At least the last known Kdr., Oberst Nobis, was with this school
from 25.7.1944 (school at Bastogne) until late April, 1945 (Güstrow).
(See scan from Absolon, Bd. VI, p. 250):
Oberst Nobis was ordered to raise this very late war "Division Güstrow" from
the school and various local available troops (dispersed).

Regarding the info in this thread (on schools der Wehrmacht):
viewtopic.php?p=1074204#p1074204

and the various locations of the school :
Bataillons- / Abteilungsführerschule Mourmelon (dépt. Marne, France ; * 25.02.1942)
renamed 25.10.1942 : Bataillons- / Abteilungsführerschule Antwerpen
renamed : Bataillonsführerschule Antwerpen (* 27.09.1943 ;
renamed 05.12.1944: Heeresschule für Btl.- und Abt.Führer) ; / OB West ; etatisiert : 30.08.1943) :

Kdr.:
29.03.1942 - 01.09.1942 O Erich Kahsnitz [perhaps earlier? see below ...]
01.09.1942 - 08.11.1943 O Hugo Ewringmann
08.11.1943 - 25.07.1944 O Ludwig Kirschner
25.07.1944 - 25.04.1945 O Nobis

Regarding Oberst Nobis, I found this post :
viewtopic.php?p=2189368#p2189368

There it says, that Oberst Nobis was kommandiert on 17.7.44 to the school at Bastogne!
So the school must have been shifted there from Antwerpen already by then.
(perhaps at some time in June/July 1944 ?!).

---------
Some interesting find :

The origin of this school might be a Lehrstab, formed from the cadre of 71. Infanterie-Division.
If you look at the Tessin entry for 71. ID (not the Lexikon) then it says :
... Okt. 1940 bis März 1941 Lehrtruppe des OKH in Königsbrück; ...
... Nov. 1941 bis April 1942 Auffrischung und Lehrtruppe in Belgien und Frankreich ... (!!).

The GrremandocsinRussia website has an interesting link :
https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/ ... ect/zoom/7

The first set of documents issued by this Lehrstab 71. Inf.Div., Bataillons- und Abteilungführerschule,
is dated 5.1.1942, at Reims. And it is signed by: Oberstlt. Kahsnitz!
One of the last documents in this set of files is dated 8. Februar 1942, still at Reims.
So the the school probably moved at some time in February 1942 to Mourmelon (~30km SE Reims).
(Perhaps someone knows?).

The updated list of locations of this school should be :
00.01.1942 - 00.02.1942 Reims
00.02.1942 - 00.00.1942 Mourmelon
00.00.1942 - 00.00.1944 Antwerpen (still Antwerpen end of March 1944, Maj. Wunnenberg)
00.00.1944 - 00.00.1944 Bastogne (July 1944 or earlier ? How long?)
00.00.1944 - 00.11.1944 Ohrdruf (likely August/September, see AHM 1944, p. 322, dated 1.10.44)
00.11.1944 - 00.04.1945 Güstrow

Mit Wirkung vom 15.1.1945 wurde die Schule umbenannt in :
15.01.1945 - 00.04.1945 Heeresschule I (Btl.- und Abt.Führer) [T78 R529 F1061]

The transfer to Güstrow by mid November (or earlier), is based on an order from 16.11.1944,
(formation of a Lehrtruppe for the school). It mentions, that the school resides
at Güstrow at that time.

Parhaps someone knows an officer, who was commanded to the school in spring or summer 1944?
It seems that there is often the actual location mentioned. That could help to find the month,
when the school moved to Bastogne.
(I found only one example, Major Wunnenstein [T78 R907 F1231]).

Best regards,
hero.
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Re: Heeresschule I / Btls.Fhr-Lehrgang Güstrow

Post by Rossano » 25 Jul 2022 14:12

Hello Hero
Well done, thanks a lot
Rgds., Rossano

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Re: Heeresschule I / Btls.Fhr-Lehrgang Güstrow

Post by Rossano » 25 Jul 2022 18:29

Hello Hero
Can You bring swome light on these matters too ?
1) a) There was a "Schule f. Fahnenjunker der Pz.Truppen" first in Wünsdorf then in Ohrdruf and later in Groß Glienicke. Is it known from/to when it (officially as such) exhisted ?
b) There was also a "Schule f. Fahnenjunker der Pz.Truppen" in Zossen. Is it known from/to when it (officially as such) exhisted ?
2) a) The Schule in WK. XIII was in Bamberg, but in a doc. dated oct. 44 it seems that such Schule (in WK. XIII) was in Klattau.
Was this Schule moved from Bamberg to Klattau or Klattau is a mistake ? Whether Klattau OK or not, who was Kdr. in oct. 44 ?
b) Was the Schule in Oschatz first in WK. IV then in WK. IX (or inverse), or always in WK. IX ?
c) Was the Schule in Großenhain first in WK. IX then in WK. IV (or inverse), or always in WK. IV ?
Thanks

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Re: Heeresschule I / Btls.Fhr-Lehrgang Güstrow

Post by hero. » 27 Jul 2022 19:30

Hello Rossano !

I answered your questions under 2) here :
viewtopic.php?p=2421009#p2421009
as I think the Kriegs- and Waffenschulen thread is the better place to address this.

The questions under 1) I cannot answer at the moment. That would take a longer read.
If I find some answers, I will post them in the other thread, too.

Best regards,
hero.

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