Division "HG" at Salerno

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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by Martin Block » 17 May 2011 21:38

Kingfish,

actually the Division "HG" was thrown to the Anzio/Nettuno bridgehead in Feb 1944 without its II./Pz.Rgt., which remained behind at the main front split up between 94. I.D. and 90. PGD. The Abteilung did not return to its parent division until some time later after mid March 1944. The I. Abt. wasn't present at all because it was under conversion into a Panther-Abteilung. The III.(Stu.Gesch) Abt. seems to have been employed mainly in a defensive role somewhere along the Mussoline canal between 2.2. and 5.3.1944 before being pulled out for a refit. Apparently it was subordinated to various other units during that time, but not always to HG. Don't have more details. Apart from its German equipment consisting of StuG III and StuH 42 between Dec 1943 and March 1944 the III.(Stu.Gesch.)/Pz.Rgt. HG also used up to 15 Italian assault guns armed with 7,5 cm guns. The remaining ones were dropped again during March 1944. Strangely they do not appear in the monthly organizational charts but only in the divisional 'Beutewaffen' listings as well as AOK 10 Pz.Lage reports. On 15.2.1944 the unit had reported 14 operational German and 8 operational Italian StuG, totals not given.

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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by Kingfish » 18 May 2011 14:44

Excellent, thank you all

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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by Bond » 24 Oct 2011 17:41

I thought this Wehrpass might be of interest to those involved in this thread. A vet bring back from Italy, along with a Panzer-Armee Afrika 1943 Kalendar. He has entries for Salerno, which appear to show him in the 13th company Art.Rgt. "HG", who he was also with for Sicily.

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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by Panzergrenadier2967 » 26 Sep 2016 18:16

Can anybody the losses of HG in the battle of Salerno during september 9th-30th (including day 23th, when started allied offensive near Cava de' Tirreni), MIA KIA WIA POW's.
the photos were taken in vietri but there weren't Heer units.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxDKDO4f4_A
in this video at 1:13 a German Corporal stay near a HG Stug III (may be soldiers near Hospital Hill?)

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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by panzerman1984 » 23 Jan 2017 16:07

Not sure if this will be of assistance, but here is a Death Card of a 20 year old HG Grenadier KIA at Salerno on Sept 10. Volksbund has him killed/missing at Cava de Tirreni, and buried at Cassino.
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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by Panzergrenadier2967 » 23 Feb 2017 15:24

Yes i saw this sterbebild. it's strange that there aren't documents about Div. "HG" losses in southitaly in september 1943

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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by Richard Anderson » 23 Feb 2017 16:15

Panzergrenadier2967 wrote:Can anybody the losses of HG in the battle of Salerno during september 9th-30th (including day 23th, when started allied offensive near Cava de' Tirreni), MIA KIA WIA POW's.
the photos were taken in vietri but there weren't Heer units.
The Meldung for September 1943 specifically included losses for attached units, including Pz.Gren.Rgt. 115, Batallion Reggio, and I./Flak Rgt. 48. It noted 213 KIA, 580 WIA, 313 MIA, and 1,135 sick and injured.
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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by Panzergrenadier2967 » 17 Mar 2017 14:37

Thanks Richard, but do you know how many germans were killed during the fighting from 9th to 30th september?
Thank you.
A italian said on a german forum circa 2000 killed, is it true?

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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by Richard Anderson » 17 Mar 2017 15:12

Panzergrenadier2967 wrote:Thanks Richard, but do you know how many germans were killed during the fighting from 9th to 30th september?
Thank you.
A italian said on a german forum circa 2000 killed, is it true?
Those were German losses I quoted for division HG. Total killed for all of 10. Armee known engaged there were about 1,180.
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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by Panzergrenadier2967 » 30 Mar 2017 15:28

Hi all!
HG Div was a luftwaffe unit so how many luftwaffe units were used during the battle?
What's jagdgeschwadern fought in The battle?

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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by MHPG12 » 13 Feb 2022 17:46

Hello,

Figured I would post here since this covers the information I am seeking. I am trying to figure out the units within the HG and or attached that opposed 41 Rm Commando and 2 Commando from 9-12 Sep 43 around Dragonea, Cava, Vietri, La Molina Pass area. I have been told it was 1 Pz Grnd Regt. Thank you in advance.

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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by Westphalia1812 » 17 Feb 2022 12:06

The organization of the HG Division at Salerno (NARA T314 R540 F0073 and F0139). I hope that helps...
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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by Richard Anderson » 17 Feb 2022 19:11

Pascal. Kullmann. wrote:
17 Feb 2022 12:06
The organization of the HG Division at Salerno (NARA T314 R540 F0073 and F0139). I hope that helps...
Thanks Pascall, it has been a long time since I have seen those pages!
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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by Richard Anderson » 17 Feb 2022 20:15

Some of the locations I have found, apparently based on British PW interrogation, were as of 9 September (also see my posts as "richto90" from earlier in this thread):

II./Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment Herman Göring 1 at Cava de Tirreni on the Vietri sul Mare-Nocera Road. PGR HG 1 was only present as the Regiments-Stab and Regiments-Einheiten and the II. Batallion, which was formerly the Feldersatz Batallion HG and was motorized. Ist (O/B/U/M) was 41/4/258/985. III. Batallion and 13. and 14. Kp. did not exist, 9. Kp had six towed 15cm sIG (mot), 10. Kp. had four 15cm sIG (Sfl), 11. Kp. was supposed to be sPak (Sfl) but evidently had no guns? The battalion had three sPak (mot). Thus, this is part of KG Haas.

Aufklärungs-Abteilung Herman Göring at Chiunzi Pass on the Maiori Road. Also KG Haas. It consisted of:
1. Kp. (PSW) nine 2cm PSW
2. Kp. (PSW) not operational
3. Kp. (Inf. (mot))
4. Kp. (Inf. (mot)) not operational
5. Kp. (Inf. (SPW) three sPak
6. Kp. (Pak (Sfl) reforming, one Sfl in repair

Panzer-Grenadier Batallion Herman Göring (?) at Cava di Tirreni. The only possibility for this unit is I./Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment Herman Göring 2 of the division reserve KG v. Corvin, which went to KG Haas the night of 11/12 September. Otherwise, PGR HG 2 was present only as the Regiments-Stab and Regiments-Einheiten and the I. Batallion, which was at least partly equipped with SPW. Ist was 26/5/173/705. Neither the II. Batallion (which was planned to be reformed) or III. Batallion existed, nor did a 13. or 15. Kp. 9. Kp. had six towed 15cm sIG (mot), 10. Kp. had four 15cm sIG (Sfl), 11. Kp. had four sPak (Sfl), of which three were operational. The battalion had three sPak (mot) and three 7.5cm KwK auf SPW.

IIRC, Batallion Reggio (24/4/133/824) was south of Naples defending the Amalfi coast and Sorrento from the advance of Darby's Rangers. KG Maucke was in support of KG Haas to the north and east, along with Steuer's Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment 129, extending east to the hills around Sant Angelo and Piegolelle.

Elements of 1. FJD joined the division c. 10/11 September and were organized as KG Becker.
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Re: Division "HG" at Salerno

Post by Westphalia1812 » 17 Feb 2022 21:43

I get a slight feeling that the HG Div was a bit of a mess at Salerno......

Thanks for the informations. Im currently downloading T315 R827 hoping that it contains Lagekarten with some of the HG units...

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