German snipers and sharpshooters

[Christoph Awender]

Were snipers that numerous in the German forces? The reason I ask is that everytime there's a show on the History Channel when they mention someone got shot, it seems like it was always a "sniper". Or is it more like the tank thing where ever tank the G.I.s came across was a Tiger?

From reading the posts it does sound like most companies/divisions had a sniper group, but were there offical numbers of snipers listed?

http://chrito.users1.50megs.com/kstn/kstn131v1nov44.htm

[krichter33]

Does anyone know how the Russian confirmation system for their snipers worked???

[Dubar1]

Thanks Christoph! 6 snipers...more than I thought they would have. Maybe all those "sniper" reports are fairly accurate

[Fallschirmjäger]

There is also an old German Luftwaffe training film dealing with snipers. It is (was?) available from Belle & Blade Co., Dover, New Jersey. It is in German with English subtitles or English speakover. Details include

Das Oberkommando der Luftwaffe
Filmgruppe des Gen. d. Fl. Ausb. zeigh
Scharfschutze in der Gelandeausbildung
Meister der Tarnung und Tauschung.

The English title is "Snipers: The Invisible Enemy."[/quote]
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Is this then for luftwaffe ground troops,like the herman goring div,or luftwaffe field div,or is it fallschirmjäger in this training film?,thanks.

[Ady33-45]

ISBN 1844153177
Author Albrecht Wacker
Type Hardback
Size 234 x 156
Our Price: £15.99
RRP: £19.99




This book is a rare first-hand account by a ruthlessly efficient German sniper of life and death during the bitter conflict that followed the Nazi invasion of Russia.ÊIts author, Josef ÔSeppÕ Allerberger, was an Austrian conscript who qualified as a Wehrmacht machine-gunner and was drafted to the Southern sector of the Front in July 1942. Wounded at Voroshilovsk, he experimented so successfully with a captured Russian sniper-rifle while convalescing and returned to his unit as his regimentÕs only sniper specialist.ÊIn the gruelling months that followed, as the German Army was forced to withdraw under almost constant pressure from the Russians, Allerberger became the second most successful German sniper and one of the very few private soldiers to be awarded with the coveted Knights Cross.ÊThis harrowing and graphic memoir provides a vivid insight to the atrocious conditions and brutal cruelty of this campaign.ÊThere was, we learn, no place for chivalry and few prisoners survived long after capture.ÊAllerberger describes the cunning, discipline and fieldcraft that not only saw him survive during the near constant action but made him such a relentless assassin.











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[tera]

Image from http://www.britishpathe.com
Film ID : 622.09

Regards,

David

Bonjour david

Pourrais tu me aider ( sa serais sampa de tas par )

Je recherche des informations sur les tireurs isolés
Je voudrais savoir qui est à l’origine de la création des tireurs isolés ?
Des noms de Tireurs isole car j’ai trouver des nom sur Internet mais seulement quel que nom ?
Ou il se sont entraîner ? (Dans quelle caserne) ?
Les nom des officier qui former les tireurs isolés ?

Si vous avez des documents de passage des tireurs isolés (ou des diplôme) ?

Quelle nombre de tireurs isolés on été former pendant la guerre


Mercie i tu peut me aider car je c’est si peut de chose sur les tireurs isolés allemands

[tera]

I'm currently researching about german snipers and sharpshooters. The reason for this is that there is hardly anything written about the subject and what's available leaves a lot of unanswered questions. Many snipers didn't survive capture, few soldiers were as hated by the enemy as the sniper.

Hopefully I will get to interview two former german snipers. I have discovered some important things that are different between german and soviet snipers and this will be interesting to look into and see if my thesis about the russian sniper tactic being superior is true.

The real problem with this project is the difficulty in gathering information, there will soon be published a book in german about waffen ss snipers which I hope will be useful. However, this research has meant that I've stumbled across a big amount of interesting information.

I think I've found most of the info about german snipers available online. I would be most interested in any information that you forum members could provide. The information that I look for also includes information about i.e. FG42 or MP44 with scope.

I'm interested in any topic-related pictures, documents etc for sale.

A list of all known german snipers and sharpshooters.


Matthäus Hetzenauer
Sepp Allerberg
Helmut Wirnsberger
Franz Karner
Roth
Friedrich Pein
Wesel? (Commander of Scharfschützekampfgruppe Wesel?)
Unterscharführer Steinke
Rottenführer John Trana
Josef Weissinger
SS-Pionier Pelzmann

I would be most grateful if an administrator or moderator could make this topic a 'sticky' one. That would help a lot.

best regards/ daniel

Know you of other name of insulated shooters
Name of to officiate which to form the insulated shooters?

Or it belong draw away? (In what barracks)?

[Daniel L]

I'm sorry, I don't understand your English. It is totally incomprehensible.

Best regards/ Daniel

[ReinhardH]

Regarding Dubar1's question about the quantity of German snipers, the information on the number of snipers/Grenadierkompanie is from Nov. 1, 1944, very late in the war - Christoph (or anyone else here) do you know if this was also the case earlier in the war?

Reason I ask is because my father served in the 3. Gebirgsdivision from Velikije Luki until after it retreated back over the Dnieper west of Nikopol (I believe that was from late 1942 to late 1943).
Although he served in a 'schwere Kompanie', which he has told me had few to no snipers attached to it, he was aware of the presence of snipers within the 'leichte Kompanien' of the battalion.
Other than this, the only information I was ever able to get from him regarding snipers in GJR138 during the time he served in Russia was, "The Russians had a LOT of snipers - we didn't have many at all."

Is it possible that the Wehrmacht didn't start to make use of larger numbers of snipers until they saw how effectively the Russians used them?

I didn't know the 3.Gebirgsdivision had any successful snipers other than Allerberger ('Sniper on the Eastern Front' was an eye-opener for me).
Does anyone have any information about Franz Roth, or what batallion or regiment of the 3.Gebirgs he served in?

[tera]

Regarding Dubar1's question about the quantity of German snipers, the information on the number of snipers/Grenadierkompanie is from Nov. 1, 1944, very late in the war - Christoph (or anyone else here) do you know if this was also the case earlier in the war?

Reason I ask is because my father served in the 3. Gebirgsdivision from Velikije Luki until after it retreated back over the Dnieper west of Nikopol (I believe that was from late 1942 to late 1943).
Although he served in a 'schwere Kompanie', which he has told me had few to no snipers attached to it, he was aware of the presence of snipers within the 'leichte Kompanien' of the battalion.
Other than this, the only information I was ever able to get from him regarding snipers in GJR138 during the time he served in Russia was, "The Russians had a LOT of snipers - we didn't have many at all."

Is it possible that the Wehrmacht didn't start to make use of larger numbers of snipers until they saw how effectively the Russians used them?

I didn't know the 3.Gebirgsdivision had any successful snipers other than Allerberger ('Sniper on the Eastern Front' was an eye-opener for me).
Does anyone have any information about Franz Roth, or what batallion or regiment of the 3.Gebirgs he served in?

For ReinhardH

I crucifix that delays which they had German worm the end of war is especially have reason of the cold which reigns in winter in Russia (or (has is it)

It had a lot young soldier who been unskilled has war

But I crucifix that German those are given an account of effect of the insulated shooters one can late?
I crucifix whom it do not believe in the insulated effect of the shooters or it grader the shooters isolated in secrets

By those that it has very can of information on had.

I read that Hitler he wanted to dissolve the insulated shooters.
I am in order base coach on her the shooters to isolate carry their insignia he is then especially do not raise on the Eastern forehead.

Is then the training of the insulated shooters began has leave of 1943. Training to last has can near three months me crucifix.

But I had these steps or it been to form?

I know that the first world war hung. German is Austrian had insulated shooters.

Soldier whom I know which one is part of isolated Shooters sound according to:

- Ogefr Hans Vock (Vok) 1 / Gren Regiment on 1091

- Matthäus Hetzenauer, 7. / Geb. Jäg. Regiment. 144

- Josef " Sepp " Allerberger, 8. / Geb. Jäg. Regiment. 144 (2.3.1945)

- Peter Auernig, 3. / Gren. Regiment.?? (19.11.1944)

- Grunts Vok 3 / Grenadier-Regiment 1091

- Josef Wegerer, 7. / Gebirgsjäger Rgt. 144


Hubert Meyers 12èmes solid soluble Pz

- divisions Gebirgsjäger as Matthias Hetzenauer of 3rd GbJD

- Bruno Sutkus Gren. Rgt 196

- 17. Solid Soluble - PanzergrenadierDivision "Götz von Berlichingen", dated in 01.07.1944

- Grenadier Elmar Khohler 2/GR.regiment .391



- Slovène Maks L Max Jenuš:
- born 9.9.1923 (Malečnik pri Mariboru),
- mobilized 22.7.1941,
- the embusqué shooter training in Salzbourg

- SS-Pionier Pelzmann

captain grunt Widhofner
HelMut Wirnsberger
- Friedrich Pein
Simo Häyhä
Franz Karner
Roth
Oberjäger Friedrich Pein
Wesel (commanding of scharfschützekampfgruppe Wesel?)
Unterscharführer Steinke
Rottenführer John Trana
Normandy. His name was Hugo Kuppers.


I it is as as almost everything regiment SS one followed the training of the Insulated Shooters.
As for instance

SS Germania
SS adolf Hitler
SS-Pionier Pelzmann

But I pence qu they can find more information on the insulated shooters
But a lot nobody not sound not to interest the insulated shooters not.

Because I did researches on several forums but me am not had a lot of visible information.

[ReinhardH]

Hello tera, I don't know what online translator you're using, but it ... ALMOST ... works

Thank you for posting the list of names with their corresponding units. The three individuals in GJR144 put a very high percentage of successful snipers in the east in one regiment of one division.

merci

[tera]

I'm currently researching about german snipers and sharpshooters. The reason for this is that there is hardly anything written about the subject and what's available leaves a lot of unanswered questions. Many snipers didn't survive capture, few soldiers were as hated by the enemy as the sniper.

Hopefully I will get to interview two former german snipers. I have discovered some important things that are different between german and soviet snipers and this will be interesting to look into and see if my thesis about the russian sniper tactic being superior is true.

The real problem with this project is the difficulty in gathering information, there will soon be published a book in german about waffen ss snipers which I hope will be useful. However, this research has meant that I've stumbled across a big amount of interesting information.

I think I've found most of the info about german snipers available online. I would be most interested in any information that you forum members could provide. The information that I look for also includes information about i.e. FG42 or MP44 with scope.

I'm interested in any topic-related pictures, documents etc for sale.

A list of all known german snipers and sharpshooters.


Matthäus Hetzenauer
Sepp Allerberg
Helmut Wirnsberger
Franz Karner
Roth
Friedrich Pein
Wesel? (Commander of Scharfschützekampfgruppe Wesel?)
Unterscharführer Steinke
Rottenführer John Trana
Josef Weissinger
SS-Pionier Pelzmann

I would be most grateful if an administrator or moderator could make this topic a 'sticky' one. That would help a lot.

best regards/ daniel

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Francais

Je voudrais savoir sur l’histoire du fameux duelle de zaistsev contre le tireurs isoler Allemands
(Colonel Heinz Thorvald ou Erwin König)

D’après vous ceux fameux Colonel a t-il vraiment vécue ou ces une propagande inventer par les russe.

Mais il y a un interview de zaistsev qui conforts cette Histoire que sur les document du tireurs qu’il a abattues son nom été Heinz Thorvald


Si il avais vraiment ceux colonels Heinz Thorvald il serais un des meilleure tireur embusquer de l’armer allemandes

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eng

I would like to know about history of famous having duel of zaistsev against shooters to isolate Germans
(Colonel Heinz Thorvald or Erwin König)

According to you those famous Colonel has a propaganda t-il really lived or this to invent Russian by.

But there is one interview of zaistsev which comfort this History that on document of shooters that it slaughtered its name be Heinz Thorvald


If it really had those colonels Heinz Thorvald it one of the best would be shooter embusquer to arm it German

[tera]

I'm sorry, I don't understand your English. It is totally incomprehensible.

Best regards/ Daniel

french

Je voudrais savoir sur l’histoire du fameux duelle de zaistsev contre le tireurs isoler Allemands
(Colonel Heinz Thorvald ou Erwin König)

D’après vous ceux fameux Colonel a t-il vraiment vécue ou ces une propagande inventer par les russe.

Mais il y a un interview de zaistsev qui conforts cette Histoire que sur les document du tireurs qu’il a abattues son nom été Heinz Thorvald


Si il avais vraiment ceux colonels Heinz Thorvald il serais un des meilleure tireur embusquer de l’armer allemandes
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eng

I would like to know about history of famous having duel of zaistsev against shooters to isolate Germans
(Colonel Heinz Thorvald or Erwin König)

According to you those famous Colonel has a propaganda t-il really lived or this to invent Russian by.

But there is one interview of zaistsev which comfort this History that on document of shooters that it slaughtered its name be Heinz Thorvald


If it really had those colonels Heinz Thorvald it one of the best would be shooter embusquer to arm it German

[KarmaTiger]

Bruno Sutkus, 209 kills

Gefreiter Meyer, 180 kills

Oleh Dir, 120 kills

[krichter33]

KarmaTiger, do you have any sources for those numbers?