Bombs??

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Re: Bombs??

Post by EwenS » 06 Sep 2021 23:43

Sturm78 wrote:
06 Sep 2021 22:45
Hi all,

Any idea about this ? :?

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It looks similar to a tank used by Britain on aircraft such as the Lysander intended to spray poison gas across the battlefield.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/com ... tanks_and/

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Re: Bombs??

Post by Natter » 09 Sep 2021 09:56

More likely a smoke-generator..?

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Re: Bombs??

Post by dreamk » 09 Sep 2021 13:12

This a Nebelgerät S 200 VI - a smoke dispenser / combat gas sprayer, under a Hs126. Here equipped with its aerodynamic posterior cone.
This same model could be also used under a He45.
Data from Luftwaffe document LDv.158 "Verwendung künstlichen Nebels durch die Luftwaffe" (use of artificial fog by the Luftwaffe")
Empty weight 63kg Total weight 253 kg
Capacity 95 liters, spraying for 2 minutes a smoke screen of 40-50 m deep and about 7km long.

Here are some more details from a US document on German Chemical Warfare Material (part II section A-1)
TANK, SPRAY, AERIAL, S 200/V
Nebelgerät 200/V
The spray tank assembly consists of a tank, a compressed air cylinder, projection pipe and nozzle and the necessary valves. The tank is dome shaped and tapers slightly to-wards the rear; it has a capacity of 35 gallons. The compressed air connections and re-ducing valve are located on the back of the tank and are protected by a conical shield to reduce wind resistance. The top of the the tank is fitted with a suspension lug for at-taching the tank to a plane. The projection pipe is fitted to the bottom of the tank and extends vertically for 12 inches and then points horizontally to the rear for 12 inches. Any one of 3 sizes of spray nozzles may be attached to this pipe. The 5 quart compres-sed air cylinder fits into a poc-ket in the bottom rear of the tank; it is connected to the pressure reducing as-sembly which reduces the pressure from 2250 to 45 pounds per square inch.

The filling plug is located at the top of the tank near the front. The tank contents may be released either by a mechanical closure device operated by the "Spray Tank Fuze 34" (II–A–3), or by means of the Magnetic Spray Tank Valve (II–A–2). Either device is attached to the end of the projection pipe. The complete tank assembly weighs 150 pounds when empty.

Another model (S 200 V/1) of this spray tank has a shorter projection tube and a modified pressure reducing system.
Another pic of this smoke screen dispenser
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And her of the refilling process - the rear aerodynamic cone has been removed
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Re: Bombs??

Post by dreamk » 09 Sep 2021 13:46

It looks similar to a tank used by Britain on aircraft such as the Lysander intended to spray poison gas across the battlefield.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/com ... tanks_and/
The photo in the link showsa SCI - Smoke Curtain Installation under the winglet of a Lysander - The SCI though they could be used to spray poison gas, were never used in such a capability but as smoke screen dispensers. Various models existed (differing just by their length and diameter): 250lbs, 500lbs and 1000lbs SCI, the most common being the 250lbs SCI,
The Swordfish and Albacore could take 4x250lbs SCI
The 500lbs was devised for being installed in the bomb bay of the Blenheim
The 1000lbs was designed for the bomb bay of the wellington (2 SCI side by side)
But there are photos and reports of other planes equipped with SCI: RAF Boston, Mosquito, Tempest, Lysander and Vengeance and even RAAF Mustang
though on Tempests and Mustang the US M10 smoke dispenser was preferred.

To understand what stands behind the appellation "Some Curtain", just take a look at these pictures (sorry for their small size these are capture screens from a wartime RN training movie):
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And as a comparison USN avengers laying a smoke screen from US apparatus (Navy M5 or M6) - the screens widen progressively and begin to fall till their confluence creates a "fog" - while with the British SCI a single plane can create a dense screen.
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Re: Bombs??

Post by Sturm78 » 09 Sep 2021 19:56

dreamk wrote
This a Nebelgerät S 200 VI - a smoke dispenser / combat gas sprayer, under a Hs126. Here equipped with its aerodynamic posterior cone.
This same model could be also used under a He45.
Data from Luftwaffe document LDv.158 "Verwendung künstlichen Nebels durch die Luftwaffe" (use of artificial fog by the Luftwaffe")
Empty weight 63kg Total weight 253 kg
Capacity 95 liters, spraying for 2 minutes a smoke screen of 40-50 m deep and about 7km long.

Here are some more details from a US document on German Chemical Warfare Material (part II section A-1)
Thank you very much for your very detailed information, dreamk... :)
A pity the small size of your images... :(

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Re: Bombs??

Post by Sturm78 » 21 Jul 2022 23:40

Hi all,

Does somebody know the exact official German designation for these air drop containers ?
Versorgungsbomben, Versorgungsbehälter, Abwurfbehälter, Waffenbehälter...... :? ...or are they aerial mines ?

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Re: Bombs??

Post by dreamk » 29 Jul 2022 08:26

Munition container using the casing of a LMB aerial dropped mine
MischlastAbwurfBehalter 1000 (LMB)
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Here is the original LMB Aerial Mine
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The "(LMB)" mention after "MischlastAbwurfBehalter 1000" served to differentiate it from the original, dedicated, air-dropped container:
MischlastAbwurfBehalter 1000/ MichlastBehalter1000 :
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A surviving sample of a variant of this dedicated, model is kept at the VHU museum in Prague:
Michlastbehalter-1000 Length 3174mm Diameter 660mm Payload 720kg
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Re: Bombs??

Post by Sturm78 » 29 Jul 2022 20:55

Thank you very much for your information and adittional images, dreamk :wink:

Only a question: How is possible to differentiate externally between the original LMB aerial mine and the Misch lastAbwurf Behalter 1000 (LMB) munition container ? :?

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Re: Bombs??

Post by dreamk » 31 Jul 2022 06:09

You can't
(except of course if you can see the lettering that may - or not - have been printed on the casing of the Misch lastAbwurf Behalter)

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