Life in the Third Reich

[JTG]

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[Enteigner1]

Ok guys,

I am new here and come from Germany ,
and have some points!!!
I was born in 1977 and could not be part of this timm 33-45.
In this thread it`s about living in Germany during this heavy time.
We all now that this time wasn't easy to live in
most of the industrialised countries.
But Hitler gave the germans the ultimate power to live and get a job, shouldnt be forgotten!!

Every other country would had acted the same if they had such a Leader.
I do not talk about the cruelties of this time, were a big shame.
But other countries had their pervert cruelties also!!!!
These extreme cruelties made of the SS,
or other german institutions are very shameful to any content!!!!!!!

The living in Germany through this time has to be rethought.
The life through this time must be splitted for some reasons.
When hitler came to power the enthusiasm of most germans was of ecstactic nature!!!!
Some years later him in position as the Leader, his speeches and his ultimate power and
presence,
The völkisch-germans were in trance and had seen in him the messiah and god alltogheter
He had such an ultimate presence, power, anger, will, and to die for his people!!!
They all were hypnotysed by him in an god-like manner...I talk of the ethnic germans.
All other european would have be like in trance like the germans!!!
But in Germany at this time there were not only ethnic germans living,
also minorities like jews, romas, gays,..................
And the life for them was really not that easy....camps...etc..
But for the ethnic, natural german this life was for allmost all a bliss state of life...they had work,
they had a person on the front, that was their god, to fullfill all their dreams..Their hope was endless!!!
The time fro 33 to 42 was the best time for the ethnic germans living!!!!!!
The victories of the Ultimate Leader gave them the rest!!
They wer in a state of ultimate orgasm!!! Now they really had a new God!!!!!My old grandmama, she is 93, and still very fit, told me this!!!
And she was not a NAZI, they hated the real NAZIS of her town. She all told me this, her long-term memory is so good
and she nows every detail... when the french lived in their house, they werent that bad as thought, but they always wanted to pretest the food by family-members, in fact of killing them.....and they were always drunk to the max from red wine.

The jews had to suffer big tim , maybe like no people before....


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And I do want to describe the stereotypes, that makes no sense and many of the jews in this forum
act as every and proclaim i am an anti-semite......but i,cant be an anti-semite, because in my blood there runs a tiny percent of jewish blood!!!

[vszulc]

Yes, you can be an antisemite even though you have "Jewish blood!!".
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I cant believe that especially a German would even try to defend the criminal nature of Nazi germany, and drag out the old ignorant excuses about "Hitler gave us jobs!" and "Nobody knew!"¨

No, other nations wouldnt have acted the same. Germany stands as a unique example in its criminality, bloodlust and aggression.

[Annelie]

You really believe this person is from Germany?

[ghostsoldier]

No, other nations wouldnt have acted the same. Germany stands as a unique example in its criminality, bloodlust and aggression.

vszulc...I understand your passion for the subject, but I disagree with that statement. There are many nations and/or governments that have, and continue to, exhibit genocidal tendencies and promote aggressive, bloody pogroms. Germany is not (was not) unique in possessing and exhibiting the basest concepts of human degradation.
Rob

[Vikki]

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[vanir]

I'd like very much to respond to the original thread posting, as it is a subject I have often considered deeply.
Some family members were Nazis and managed to emigrate eventually to Australia following the war. Naturally I've often imagined living in Nazi Germany (and intend to emigrate back "home" some time soon, thank God the Wall is gone) and here is what I have discovered.

It all comes down to the kind of people you put in power. By legitimising and legalising brutality you are speaking about a particular kind of personality, whom responds to problem solving with atrocity. These are not minds which think rationally but believe they have their own kind of "special intelligence" to which of course only they are privy.

So any argument of independent rights is mute. If you put a psychopath in charge of your school, it doesn't matter if you can restrain him from bashing and killing children, he's still going to be screaming at them, waving his arms and acting like a psychopath even if you take away the Holocaust, Gestapo and whatnot. You still have a violent idiot who comes up with those kind of ideas, not only that but he thinks they are right and best. His way is the only way.

You have someone who would do horrific things routinely anyway (if he were brave enough), the Nazis just appointed him to a governing position and legalised his criminality.

This was Nazi Germany.
Now I loved my grandmother for example, don't get me wrong. She was proud, patriotic and had a strong morality. But it was an entirely warped morality, and you wouldn't have her babysitting the neighbours' children. They'd come back a little...changed. And probably seriously injured for things like speaking out of turn no matter how young.

[Annelie]

She was proud, patriotic and had a strong morality. But it was an entirely warped morality, and you wouldn't have her babysitting the neighbours' children. They'd come back a little...changed. And probably seriously injured for things like speaking out of turn no matter how young.

Your forgetting that your grandmothers generation came from and were brought up differently than today.
It was back then ...children were seen not heard, obey adults immediately, obey the laws etc etc.
Very strict.

My stepfather was british and believe me he probably was no different than your grandmother. Physical
punishment was the norm for him if one did not obey immediately and yes, no matter what age.

[vanir]

When I say "seriously injured" I mean for example, holding the child's hand against the inside of an ancient freezer until the skin burns from the cold and requires medical attention. I'm not really talking about strict disciplinarianism, like a slap for wrong-doing (which indeed I think is questionable among the educated), but medical injuries performed with gratification wrapped in an excuse.
I've seen it since here and there, generally among people who've been charged in some manner regarding it, generally among people who have little or no problem solving abilities, generally among people who can barely restrain their wont to seriously hurt others at any instance and believe children are property, like a television you can kick when the reception is poor.

If a contention arises this is a cultural emphasis associated with social epoch, then the argument must be there have always been more peaceful cultures, and culture is the choice of every adult. Indeed it is the maxim of every nationalist to represent their personal behaviour as patriotism, it is the common excuse for the abusive they are justified, it is the hide of racists to claim social perspective. Yet examining these arguments have them failing.

National culture is defined by individual behaviour.
Excuses avoid the subject at hand.
Social perspective is what you think.

As a Nazi German Renate probably had no idea she was devoted to Nietschean philosophy, I only discovered the glaring parallels comparing Hitler's authoring with commentaries by various historians, which was part of an objective project. She said Hitler was a genius, period. He saved Germany (may be true in one sense but irrelevent presently), there was no such thing as the SS (the new uniform of the regular German Army had twin-lightning bolt insignia she said, it was just the new army uniform and claims otherwise were Allied propaganda, she was very vehement about this in particular).
She felt, as part of her Party philosophy no doubt that to foster a strong populace children should learn to fend for themselves young, my mother was therefore tossed onto the streets and abandoned at 13. Naturally she had her first child at 15 and refuses to discuss her past, and is a complete mess. Today she is what must be described as paranoid schizophrenic for her experiences of this "earlier cultural age."
It doesn't take a genius to figure this kind of "superman" philosophy is the product of abusive twits given entirely too much authority.
Besides, I can read Mein Kampf and see Renate all the way through it. She never said anything about races per se, but then Hitler himself is really talking about cultural perspectives which he believes are genetic in nature, and their political implications including paranoic conspiracies.

It may be that what you call right, defines whom is to be (rightly) paranoid. Let it be the abusive.


-I just wanted to add, I hope I am not being argumentative. I like and appreciate your posts, Annelie, and yours was an important and forthright point to make. I simply wished to elaborate what I was meaning by what I wrote. Hey and thanks for the reply

[Annelie]

I understand your point of view.

One thing for sure I know the older I get. Nothing is simple or black and white, there is always
extenuating circumstances which for every person is different at different ages and considering their
upbringing, education and intelligence.

As for your Mother, its sad. I don't know what experiences my Mother had for she also will not discuss.
All she has said that I wouldn't believe what she saw and went through and she was there when the Russians came into
Berlin in 45. I don't ask but I would like to know. My Mother is a survivor who always looks ahead and
rarely looks back with regret.

I once asked her if she heard on the radio any speeches of Hitler or any of the others...No was the answer.
She didn't even know who Speer was. She said there were many good Germans and of course bad people.
She didn't grow up as a child in Germany but she was there as a guest so to speak so she encountered
people of all types. Her time in Berlin began in 43 and by that time I am sure it was then about survival
in various ways so she had little time to ponder on social perspectives, etc. She is strong, independent
and a survivor.

No, your not argumentative at least to me as I would like to know and understand how others see and feel what happened during those dark days.

As to abusive twits given entirely too much authority....well then nothing has changed just the venue as we see in the
world.

Sorry about being blunt, yes I am I admit it....I like being succinct if at all possible.

[vanir]

hehe, it's funny the contrast. The older I get, the more black and white it all seems. I grew up in halfway houses and the like myself while my sisters were fostered. It was sort of confusing for a while, but got clearer the more I got to know people and life.
So yet indeed, where life changes and people do not, so then how are earlier times making more abusive parenting reasonable? One must recognise where the bad elements of human nature has been a constant, respectively therefore so must the good. If there are as many bad people today, there must've been as many good people then.
Once again, I believe it all comes down to whom precisely you place in government. Many of our best and most modern political intentions were clearly outlined among 17th century philosophers (I dare say no revolutionary ideal has ever been very original), and they in turn can find many of their liberalist arguments presented in the Greek assemblies or among the scribbling of ancient scholars.

Yes people do not change. Politics must, because it is still behind the times and keeps taking wrong turns for quick satisfaction and general laziness. I think, leastways.

[Vikki]

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