Why did Hitler and Stalin not meet in person?

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George L Gregory
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Re: Why did Hitler and Stalin not meet in person?

Post by George L Gregory » 07 May 2022 20:21

ljadw wrote:
07 May 2022 19:32
gebhk wrote:
07 May 2022 17:17
One cannot compare the Communist party and the Nazi party
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That is a nonsense. You can compare any two or more things. However, regardless of how the two compare and contrast (that is another discussion) that is immaterial since no one (apart from yourself it seems) has raised the issue. The only thing that matters is that Stalin and Hitler were unquestionably the leaders of their countries' respective, ruling parties.
Stalin did not leave the USSR til 1945
I am pretty sure Tehran is not in the USSR.
I forgot about Tehran ,but still Tehran was the capital of a country occupied by Britain and the USSR .Why was there no meeting in Cairo or Delhi ? Simply because there was no Soviet presence in these cities while in 1941 the Red Army advanced to the suburbs of Tehran .
This is exactly why so many people on this forum can’t be bothered to converse with you.

Look at you pathetically try to wiggle your way out. You always have an answer for everything. You even have the audacity to try and ask gebhk questions, lmao.

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Re: Why did Hitler and Stalin not meet in person?

Post by gebhk » 08 May 2022 07:32

I forgot about Tehran ,but still Tehran was the capital of a country occupied by Britain and the USSR .
Since you love formal definitions, Persia had declared war on the Axis in September 1943, so technically it was not 'occupied' it was an ally. This was expressly reaffirmed by the Tehran Conference in November.

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Re: Why did Hitler and Stalin not meet in person?

Post by ljadw » 08 May 2022 11:12

It had been occupied in 1941 and the British forces left only 6 months after the war .That Iran ,at the order of the Allies,declared war on Germany,without fighting against Germany, does not make it an ally .Iran declared in 1945 also war on Japan,Tokyo will have laughed .
Iraq, Egypt and Kuwait also declared war on Germany, at the orders from London .

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Re: Why did Hitler and Stalin not meet in person?

Post by gebhk » 08 May 2022 13:51

That Iran ,at the order of the Allies,declared war on Germany,without fighting against Germany, does not make it an ally .
Err, that is exactly what it means. This was expressly reaffirmed by the Tehran Conference in November. Doesn't matter two hoots who ordered it. And, lest we forget, Tehran was not in the USSR, which was the one and only point of bringing the subject up.

However, all of this tosh is obscuring a somewhat insightful, I think, observation by Ijadw - which is that Stalin rarely if ever met foreign leaders in person before the war. I think much the same applies to the Japanese. It makes me wonder whether the underlying trend was that neither particularly enjoyed having to meet equals or, God forbid, superiors. Hitler clearly enjoyed people coming to 'kiss his ring' (thanks WM!) but refused an invitation to the United States. In addition it seems to me, that Hitler liked to meet people he liked/admired. Stalin too agreed to a lot of 'ring kissing' ceremonies once he started winning his war. Otherwise they both met foreign leaders only if they had to. Since Stalin was never going to kiss Hitler's ring, or vice versa and they did not have to meet, it was never going to happen.
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Re: Why did Hitler and Stalin not meet in person?

Post by VanillaNuns » 09 May 2022 09:54

George L Gregory wrote:
07 May 2022 20:21
ljadw wrote:
07 May 2022 19:32
gebhk wrote:
07 May 2022 17:17
One cannot compare the Communist party and the Nazi party
.
That is a nonsense. You can compare any two or more things. However, regardless of how the two compare and contrast (that is another discussion) that is immaterial since no one (apart from yourself it seems) has raised the issue. The only thing that matters is that Stalin and Hitler were unquestionably the leaders of their countries' respective, ruling parties.
Stalin did not leave the USSR til 1945
I am pretty sure Tehran is not in the USSR.
I forgot about Tehran ,but still Tehran was the capital of a country occupied by Britain and the USSR .Why was there no meeting in Cairo or Delhi ? Simply because there was no Soviet presence in these cities while in 1941 the Red Army advanced to the suburbs of Tehran .
This is exactly why so many people on this forum can’t be bothered to converse with you.

Look at you pathetically try to wiggle your way out. You always have an answer for everything. You even have the audacity to try and ask gebhk questions, lmao.
I thought ljadw was maybe just an overzealous, naive teenager and gave him the benefit of the doubt, but he's been registered here since 2009.

So probably not so naive... :lol: :roll:

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Re: Why did Hitler and Stalin not meet in person?

Post by George L Gregory » 09 May 2022 10:00

VanillaNuns wrote:
09 May 2022 09:54
George L Gregory wrote:
07 May 2022 20:21
ljadw wrote:
07 May 2022 19:32
gebhk wrote:
07 May 2022 17:17
One cannot compare the Communist party and the Nazi party
.
That is a nonsense. You can compare any two or more things. However, regardless of how the two compare and contrast (that is another discussion) that is immaterial since no one (apart from yourself it seems) has raised the issue. The only thing that matters is that Stalin and Hitler were unquestionably the leaders of their countries' respective, ruling parties.
Stalin did not leave the USSR til 1945
I am pretty sure Tehran is not in the USSR.
I forgot about Tehran ,but still Tehran was the capital of a country occupied by Britain and the USSR .Why was there no meeting in Cairo or Delhi ? Simply because there was no Soviet presence in these cities while in 1941 the Red Army advanced to the suburbs of Tehran .
This is exactly why so many people on this forum can’t be bothered to converse with you.

Look at you pathetically try to wiggle your way out. You always have an answer for everything. You even have the audacity to try and ask gebhk questions, lmao.
I thought ljadw was maybe just an overzealous, naive teenager and gave him the benefit of the doubt, but he's been registered here since 2009.

So probably not so naive... :lol: :roll:
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Re: Why did Hitler and Stalin not meet in person?

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