Finnish is not an uralic language.gebhk wrote: ↑20 Apr 2022 10:21I can't speak for Finland as a whole. However clearly a very long list of Finnish linguists, some of whom I have quoted, both alive and dead, knew this and know this. As no doubt do the staff and students of the departments of Uralic studies in Helsinki and Turku (part of the wider Copius project), as do my friends in Tampere who are not linguists. So certainly not 'no one'.How come no one in Finland knows about it ?
Ironically, the only major figure in the Uralic area of linguistics that I know who argues there is no such a thing as the Uralic language family is an.....Italian, Prof Angela Marcantonio.
Given that you have agreed with me that Finnish is a Uralic language in 139 below, why are we coming back to this nonsense de novo - and I would extend this question to everyone from that point onwards.
Perhaps we could return to the actual subject of this thread instead - and thank you Peter89 for a succinct summary. The only thing i would disagree with is that there is no distinctive genetic relationship - Lamnidis et al found that Nganasan-like ancestry is found in many groups of modern, mainly Uralic-speaking populations. There are also genetic markers found with high frequency in modern uralic-speakers than can be described as characteristic. However, I think you may be saying that there is no genetic test that differentiates between a Uralic speaker and non-Uralic speaker and with that i would agree entirely. That is because what we are looking at is a continuum and not a set of pigeon holes.
I think, also, that you hit the nail on the head, when you say the Nazi attitude to the Hungarians was ambivalent. This is an inevitable consequence when policy is driven by blind faith in some ideology rather than by reality. When the reality clashes with the faith, there is inevitable internal conflict, both individually and within the group as a whole.
On the other hand some language groups near Urals are loosely related to finnish. No common words but apparently some cultural ties or similarities.