Worst War Movies?

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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by Ponury » 05 Jun 2022 20:01

The movie poster itself is hopeless. A brave, insolent general, but effective. And on the poster it looks like s.... (gowno in polish) :)

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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by LineDoggie » 08 Jun 2022 17:13

Die Brucke just revisionist trash
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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by LAstry2 » 18 Jun 2022 18:28

And then of Course the truly movies and TV Shows on war which once seen are truly forgetabul....
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Oh welll,,,whatever war topic ancient or modern..someone will come out with a movie about it.....and if it happens to actauly conform to the histoircal facts....it would be a miracle :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by Helmut0815 » 19 Jun 2022 14:57

And the Oscar goes to Operation Dunkirk aka Operation Dumbcrap.

Plot: A band of british paratroopers must battle their way through Nazi territory to rescue a scientist that could help turn the tide of WWII while their comrades are trying to escape from France during Operation Dynamo. They are are hunted by a SS officer and supported by the french Resistance.

This is until definetly the worst WWII film ever made, even the notorious spanish/italian maccaroni combat movies of the sixties were better, this is the "Plan 9 from Outer Space" of war films. Countless inaccuracies, anachronism and other goofs, ultra bad directing, wooden acting and a totally stupid story. Where should I start?

- The british Parachute Regiment came into being after the fall of France.
- And so was the french Resistance. There was no organized and active resistance by civilians during the battle of France.
- The SS Officer commands a bunch of Wehrmacht soldiers and a few SS men.
- Uniforms:
-- The SS officer Strasser has no rank insignia. So he is a enlisted SS-Schütze, the lowest SS rank? On the other hand some of this men have officers shoulder straps.
-- Are are a few, if any, correct uniforms. Two soldiers wear modern Bundeswehr Flecktarn parkas, a least one of them with a modern Wehrmacht style biker helmet. (Thanks LineDoggie!). Most german uniforms appear to be BW Heer or BGS tunics, coloured und patched with swastika eagles. The british "paratroopers" are wearing red berets which were issued not before 1942, one of them wears an US steel pot (1942).
- Weapons:
-- In one scene Strasser fires a bazooka. The bazooka was introduced to the US troops two years after Dunkirk.
-- British troops are seen carrying Thompson submachine guns. These were not in use by the British army during the Dunkerque campaign.
-- Nearly all german soldiers have a MP 40, almost no one the standard K 98 rifle. But submachine guns were only given to NCOs and higher ranks.
- Vehicles:
-- The british have Willys Jeeps (with US markings) which were not avaiable at this time.
-- The Germans also drive US models: Ford GTB (1943), GMC 6x6 trucks (1941) and Dodge weapon carriers. Some with US markings, some with US markings taped but none with german WH or SS license plates.
- Factual errors:
-- The british soldiers refers to their leader as "lieutenant" (american) and not as "leftenant" (british).
-- Lots of soldiers on both sides appear to be unshaved for weeks and have inapropriate hair cuts. Some german have moustaches and beards.
-- The aircraft that comes to rescue Angelique is a blue painted Boeing Stearman with red and white stripes on the rudder. OK, it would have been hard to aquire a Westland Lysander.
-- Strasser tortures the resistance chap with a Philips screwdriver with a plastic grip. And it's highly unlikely that Strasser, a front-line soldier, would have any idea of what the cosmic top secret algorithm for the new radar system would be. E = mc2 ? Besides that, the british already had their working Chain Home system.
[...] Endless more goofs...


The battle scenes reminds me of a childs play, the troops of both sides have no idea of tactical movement or fire control. The germans came as a bunch of village idiots, stumbling through the woods and standing in a line uncovered and firing their MP40s in an empty window.
The CGI with the strafing spitfires was awfully bad and looked as if it had been produced by a twelve years old boy.


Incredibly bad as a war movie, but has potential as an unintendend comedy or a good "How NOT to make a war movie" documentary.


best regards


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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by Hans1906 » 20 Jun 2022 11:38

LineDoggie,
Die Brucke just revisionist trash
How did you come to this brief enlightenment?
Die Brücke is a German anti-war film by Bernhard Wicki from 1959. It is based on the autobiographical novel of the same name by Gregor Dorfmeister (published under the pseudonym Manfred Gregor), which was published the year before and who, by his own admission, used this novel to process and publish his personal war experiences . The premiere took place on October 22, 1959 in the Alster-Lichtspiele in Mannheim.

In 1960, Die Brücke was awarded the German Film Prize in five categories. Internationally, it received the Golden Globe Award for Best Foreign Film, as well as an Oscar nomination in the same category.
Source and link: Die Brücke (1959) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Brücke_(1959)

You should consider, when and with what technical means this eternal masterpiece was produced.
The film is of course full of mistakes, but the message of this film is still very valid today, there are no winners, only victims.


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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by LAstry2 » 24 Jun 2022 00:44

Worst TV Comic Shows et all?

In the mid 1950s comedian Phil Silvers had the Phil Silvers show aka Sgt Bilko...about a wise guy M/Sgt who is a con-man till he gets cought in one of his own cons and gets cought in the klink....

This spawned whole spinoff or ripp offs depending on your point of view.....
A} Simple comedy not to be taken seriously....
McHale's Navy
Hogans Heros
Roll Out....{lossely based on the Red Ball transport company......}

B) bad taste comedy that became self rightious moraling
Mash the Movie supposedly about Korea.....but set in a fictional Vietnam era :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
Mash the Comedy Series....Just saw their first season Christmas 1950 No army Surgeon drooped in on the troops dressed as St Nick]

C) Movies that were even worse than catagey B.... :P :x
Catch-22 both the book and the movie sneered at the US sacrafices of 1939-1946 Patriotic War for the US that cost about a quarter of a million casualites....

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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by LineDoggie » 24 Jun 2022 01:57

Hans1906 wrote:
20 Jun 2022 11:38
LineDoggie,
Die Brucke just revisionist trash
How did you come to this brief enlightenment?
Trash is trash
Germans as victims what a laugh
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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by Westphalia1812 » 30 Jun 2022 22:06

LineDoggie wrote:
24 Jun 2022 01:57
Hans1906 wrote:
20 Jun 2022 11:38
LineDoggie,
Die Brucke just revisionist trash
How did you come to this brief enlightenment?
Trash is trash
Germans as victims what a laugh
The movie is about young German boys getting send into the hell that is war. It is not about Germans being the 'victims' but rather about how ruthlessly the German (and this of course also includes the general staff) leadership used these kids for a long-lost cause and how these experiences changed them. Are you really that ignorant to comprehend what these teenagers went through and that their stories need to be heard?

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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by LineDoggie » 03 Jul 2022 02:44

Westphalia1812 wrote:
30 Jun 2022 22:06
LineDoggie wrote:
24 Jun 2022 01:57
Hans1906 wrote:
20 Jun 2022 11:38
LineDoggie,
Die Brucke just revisionist trash
How did you come to this brief enlightenment?
Trash is trash
Germans as victims what a laugh
The movie is about young German boys getting send into the hell that is war. It is not about Germans being the 'victims' but rather about how ruthlessly the German (and this of course also includes the general staff) leadership used these kids for a long-lost cause and how these experiences changed them. Are you really that ignorant to comprehend what these teenagers went through and that their stories need to be heard?
trash revisionism plain and simple, and you are the ignorant one mac
"There are two kinds of people who are staying on this beach: those who are dead and those who are going to die. Now let’s get the hell out of here".
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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by Westphalia1812 » 03 Jul 2022 09:03

Could someone else take over? I don't know what to say anymore....

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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by Hans1906 » 04 Jul 2022 11:44

trash revisionism plain and simple, and you are the ignorant one mac
It is completely incomprehensible to rate this post-war masterpiece of recent film history in this way.

Ignorance and stupidity go hand in hand in the above sentence, this very early west-german anti-war film is still a masterpiece and that will never change.

Die Brücke (1959) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Brücke_(1959)


Hans

* It was the first feature film that was shown to us children in the 1960s, and the images and scenes left a lasting impression on us all.
What you learn for yourself from it was another question, if I see this film today, then the message of the film is still present.
No heroes, only victims!

** You also have to accept this ignorance, which was true in 1959, it's of little value today, there were no CGI effects, no torn bodies flying through the air, there was no soundtrack, nothing, just a film against the war.

Almost all former performers were themselves affected before 1945, however, one must not forget that.
„Im Leben gibt’s die Bösen und die Guten. Und die dazwischen, das sind die Bagaluten.“

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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by Hans1906 » 04 Jul 2022 15:27

The girls in our school class were exempt at the time, the young women were not allowed to see the film.

Those were different times, we boys were expected to watch this film, our girlfriends weren't, the reasons are a relic of those years.

Women and girls weren't expected to do something like that, these delicate beings weren't expected to do something like that, it was that simple back then...

The many questions remain to this day...


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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by Hans1906 » 06 Jul 2022 15:38

There is no "good" war, only casualties.

(Ausschnitt aus "Die Brücke" (Bernhard Wicki)





Hans

The film is horrific, even by today's standards, given the years this film was made in...

In my collection I own sereval original posters, the stuff is rare, not for sale:


These are so-called "reissue posters", from the 1970s, the prices and values are exorbitant.

Several thousand Euro,would be a benchmark, but such a thing is not offered...


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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by LineDoggie » 08 Jul 2022 02:39

It's whiny shit
"There are two kinds of people who are staying on this beach: those who are dead and those who are going to die. Now let’s get the hell out of here".
Col. George Taylor, 16th Infantry Regiment, Omaha Beach

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Re: Worst War Movies?

Post by Helmut0815 » 08 Jul 2022 06:56

LineDoggie wrote:
08 Jul 2022 02:39
It's whiny shit
Wow, an elaborated statement from a top historian expert. I'm deeply impressed. :roll:

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