Did you catch the goofs in Stalingrad!

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Did you catch the goofs in Stalingrad!

Post by soldat251 » 03 Dec 2002 23:53

Just so you know the Germans don't make perfect movies:

Goof one: Sewer scene, after the Leutnant climbs out of the sewer and turns his back to the camera. Notice the "Y" strap ring on his back. It's not a round ring found on German "Y" straps but five sided as found on Austrian "Y" straps. You would think they would want the leading man to took authentic!

Goof two: (Using the English dubbed version of the movie) In the truck taking the German soldiers to fight a battle in the bitter cold. One German talks about how he won a two week leave last Christmas to go home . He says " I GOT IT FOR KNOCKING OUT THREE PANZER TANKS!" Is this guy in the right army?


So far I have picked out only these two, but I have only watched the movie two times so far. By the way it is a great movie. No Hollywood sex like "Enemies at the Gate" to screw up the fighting. Just hard cruel fighting. *****
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Post by Daniel L » 04 Dec 2002 02:09

Panzer is short for Panzerkampfwagen which means tank. What's the problem? As for the first 'goof', don't you know that how many austrian troops there were at Stalingrad? Did you notice this by yourself our did you read it somewhere. What one doesn't see...

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Post by Caldric » 04 Dec 2002 02:32

charlie don't surf wrote:Panzer is short for Panzerkampfwagen which means tank. What's the problem? As for the first 'goof', don't you know that how many austrian troops there were at Stalingrad? Did you notice this by yourself our did you read it somewhere. What one doesn't see...

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Because he called it a Panzer Tank? Meaning I killed three Tank Tank.

Now if he said "I killed 3 Panzers already!" that would simply mean he killed 3 tanks as you have stated.

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Post by Daniel L » 04 Dec 2002 02:55

Did he really say that or was it just the translation?

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Post by Caldric » 04 Dec 2002 03:00

charlie don't surf wrote:Did he really say that or was it just the translation?

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Most likely translation, I know plenty of people who have stated Panzer Tank. They just do not know what Panzer is, which is totally honest mistake.

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Post by Daniel L » 04 Dec 2002 03:03

Hmm, so the version you see is dubbed into english or what? :?

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Post by tonyh » 04 Dec 2002 13:24

Try and see the GErman version. It makes more sense.

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Post by soldat251 » 04 Dec 2002 15:20

Of course there were Austrian soldiers in the German Army at Stalingrad, also Italians, Bulgarians, Ukranians and other German allies. I didn't see any German soldiers wearing their equipment or uniforms in the movie. For crying out loud, if you can't dress the German star of a German movie about German bravery at Stalingrad in the correct uniform and equipment, fire the equipment manager. The Germans were sticklers for uniformity in thier officer corps. No officer who wanted to move up in the ranks would deliberately try to "look different". Conformity was the rule!

As for Panzer Tank, I agree with my comrade. Someone, who was English or American and had some historical background, should have reviewed the translation for errors. You should thank us reenactors. The demands for historical accuracy by us amateur historians has caused the film industry to do more research and be more accurate before making historical films today.

Lighten up, this is the fun part about watching a movie like Stalingrad. Trying to pick out the little errors or goofs that the movie comanies missed,
is enjoyable. "Got Mit Uns".

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Post by Daniel L » 04 Dec 2002 15:28

I agree with Tony, try to get the real version instead. What I meant was that it's not enterily impossible that he had a Austrian ring, this could be due to several reasons. If you think this movie is about the German bravery in Stalingrad you are wrong.

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tit for tat!

Post by soldat251 » 04 Dec 2002 19:49

Ok, I stand corrected. I should have said bravery or the common soldier, grunt, private, draftee, noncom, just trying to stay alive with his comrades. Unless you are unwilling to conceed that there were acts of bravery by some German soldiers. I am sure many fought because in their minds it was their duty in defense of their homeland, and not because of Nazi ideology. I think this underlining theme plays through this movie. Honor the common soldier and defile the "SS" and other war criminals.
I wonder how American soldiers would have fared at Stalingrad under those conditions?

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Post by Daniel L » 04 Dec 2002 19:54

I saw a movie which told about the cruelty of meaningless killing and the stupidity of war.

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 04 Dec 2002 21:24

Also, the Germans did refer to tanks as 'tanks', as well as Panzers - even in the same sentence, and referring to the same vehicle. But to say Panzer tank is, as mentioned before, is silly...

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A Much Bigger Goof... Maybe

Post by Blue max » 18 Dec 2002 08:13

I saw and loved "Stalingrad" as a very honest view of a horrendous conflict that has been by-in-large ignored, so I applaud it's vision. However, I have a question about a scene that I am not too sure of. It was the one where a German Chaplain, wearing a large crusifix on his uniform, was seen blessing the troops and telling them about the "Got Mit Uns" on their belt buckles. Now, in as athiest a socialist system as Nazi Germany, did they even have Chaplain's openly preaching, even anti-bolschelist reteric? Please excuse my ignorance (and bad spelling :? ) , I have been interested in WWII all my life, but it did strike me that until this scene I have never seen a German Chaplain and I thought it was due to Nazi dogma.
Also, the scenes of German troops panicing at the airport where the last Fokker triplanes departed, did this really happen?

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Post by Daniel L » 18 Dec 2002 13:11

*Germany was not socialist!
*the German society was not atheist!
*they did have chaplains!
*the airport scene did happen!

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Post by Blue max » 18 Dec 2002 18:36

Firstly, Thank You for your detailed responce. Now in that Nazi Germany was a state where the government controled everything, then they were indeed socialist. Seeing this and considering that officially Atheism was incuraged as there was to be no religion which people could devote themselves to other then National Socialism and the Furher then I believe you are mistaken. Saying this I am not saying that Germany was truely Atheist as it has been a bulkwork of Christianity for centuries, but as a system, it's Nazi government was absolutely Atheist. As such it is hard to believe that they provided Christian Chaplains for it's Armed Forces. This was a system where they turned Christmas into a holiday called Winterfest, to draw it away from it's religious origin. They also used A state ceremony to wed their SS officers, and children born in liebesborn facilities were baptised into the state instead of the Church. They were even buried using a germanic rune as a headstone instead of a cross or other religious symbols. Even in death there was to be no higher entity that the state.

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