First atomic bomb was German !?!

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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

Post by Simon Gunson » 22 Dec 2020 10:37

Hi WILL, yes the Rugen bomb tested twice on the Bug Peninsula was indeed the Schumann-Trinks hollow charge warhead

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  • Diebner’s report “Experiments on the Initiation of Nuclear Reactions by Means of Exploding Substances.” from Goldschmitt ALSOS files
    Herrmann, Hartwig, Rackwitz, Trinks and Schaub, report entitled:
    “Versuche über die Einleitung von Kernkettenreaktionen durch dieWirkung explodierender Stoffe, 1944 (found in Oak Ridge file box G-227)

    Professor Kurt Diebner’s review of the experiments,
    “Fusionsprozesse mit Hilfe konvergenter Stosswellen,” published in Kerntechnik, March 1962, pp 89-93, also
    Dr Erich Bagge’s wartime diaries



The ZINSSER eyewitness report describes a blast diameter of 1 kilometre/1,000 metres, with a mushroom cloud which kept glowing for 15 seconds
A mushroom cloud which keeps glowing is a feature unique to nuclear explosions
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a 1,000m blast diameter denotes a one kiloton or sub-kiloton blast Total yield can be determined from blast radius against a table of observed effects.
There is nothing impractical about small 1Kt nukes. Small 1Kt warheads can be used on V-2 rockets. Hitler demanded half of the Me262 jets be used as bombers, With what type of bombs did he intend?


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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

Post by OpanaPointer » 22 Dec 2020 13:57

Simon Gunson wrote:
22 Dec 2020 02:00
Richard Anderson wrote:
22 Dec 2020 01:20
Simon Gunson wrote:
22 Dec 2020 01:03
OpanaPointer wrote:
22 Dec 2020 00:12
This thread makes Trump look sane.
I await your factual rebuttal
That was a factual rebuttal. How about a source from you on Lieutenant General George Smith Patton Junior conducting POW interviews at the end of the war?
No in fact Richard Anderson/Opana Pointer , I can't because all my notes were stored as files or bookmarks on a desk top computer which burned out in 2014, therefore , I can no longer access the source to quench your bitter hubris

Life is short my suggestion is chill & stop being so angry before you suffer a stroke, or heart attack.
Great excuse. Was the fire caused by an Amerika bomber crashing into the building?
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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

Post by Dwight Pruitt » 22 Dec 2020 15:38

Great excuse. Was the fire caused by an Amerika bomber crashing into the building?
Lost German Girl was the pilot.

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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

Post by OpanaPointer » 22 Dec 2020 15:59

I have relatives who have a "welcome back, Elvis!" party every year. Guest of honor never shows.
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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

Post by T. A. Gardner » 22 Dec 2020 17:32

Simon Gunson wrote:
22 Dec 2020 00:06
Sorry, but the Nazis scrapped the V3 [bomber] prototype during assembly when static load tests of the wing indicated the wings would not bear the load of parasite fighters.
source: author Goeffrey Brooks author of various works on Luftwaffe aircraft

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The bomber need only carry about a 2,000 to 3,000 kg load of a single bomb, internally or externally. It certainly doesn't need to haul 8,000 to 10,000 kg of fighter planes on its wings.
During interrogation by Patton, General VOSS asserted the He274 WAS the intended New York bomber. Milch however proposed staging a bomber raid on New York via an airfield on Eastern Greenland using Do217 towed part way by He177 aircraft
source: author Goeffrey Brooks also from Milch's memoirs
Suggestions about the Messerschmitt Me 323 Gigant not only seem implausible to me but they also need some attribution

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I agree these won't work. There were all sorts of crackpot and half thought out proposals like this bandied about later in the war by Germany.

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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

Post by T. A. Gardner » 22 Dec 2020 17:40

Simon Gunson wrote:
22 Dec 2020 10:37
Hi WILL, yes the Rugen bomb tested twice on the Bug Peninsula was indeed the Schumann-Trinks hollow charge warhead

Sources
  • Diebner’s report “Experiments on the Initiation of Nuclear Reactions by Means of Exploding Substances.” from Goldschmitt ALSOS files
    Herrmann, Hartwig, Rackwitz, Trinks and Schaub, report entitled:
    “Versuche über die Einleitung von Kernkettenreaktionen durch dieWirkung explodierender Stoffe, 1944 (found in Oak Ridge file box G-227)

    Professor Kurt Diebner’s review of the experiments,
    “Fusionsprozesse mit Hilfe konvergenter Stosswellen,” published in Kerntechnik, March 1962, pp 89-93, also
    Dr Erich Bagge’s wartime diaries



The ZINSSER eyewitness report describes a blast diameter of 1 kilometre/1,000 metres, with a mushroom cloud which kept glowing for 15 seconds
A mushroom cloud which keeps glowing is a feature unique to nuclear explosions
Image
a 1,000m blast diameter denotes a one kiloton or sub-kiloton blast Total yield can be determined from blast radius against a table of observed effects.
There is nothing impractical about small 1Kt nukes. Small 1Kt warheads can be used on V-2 rockets. Hitler demanded half of the Me262 jets be used as bombers, With what type of bombs did he intend?


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It could easily have been, and probably was, an ammunition dump detonating. Watch the embedded video in this link. There is no difference in the appearance of a large conventional explosion and a nuclear bomb explosion, including the mushroom cloud that follows. The only difference is the presence of radiation.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wa ... i-BB1c4Axy

This is Operation Sailor Hat 1965 a .5 kt conventional explosion


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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

Post by wm » 23 Dec 2020 23:12

It must have been a very tiny bomb or ammunition dump because no-one living on the island ever noticed it. And that was tens of thousands of people.

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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

Post by Dwight Pruitt » 24 Dec 2020 02:58

That shows the level of secrecy accorded to this program.

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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

Post by Simon Gunson » 04 Nov 2021 23:38

LWD wrote:
15 Aug 2011 14:37
stellung wrote:...
Let's see 21 pounds of uranium to produce the equivalant of a one ton warhead? Doesn't sound like an atomic bomb to me. For one thing even the smallest modern warheads produce an order of magnitude more explosive powere. Indeed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crock ... ar_device) notest that:
... yield equivalent to 10 or 20 tons of TNT (very close to the minimum practical size and yield for a fission warhead) ...
As for a "dirty bomb" it's pretty clear that the dangers of radioactivity were significantly underappreciated even into the 50s so where's the rational?
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Your comment LWD betrays the fact, you don't know the difference in nuclear physics between natural critical mass and criticality. Which in the case of HEU ( 80% + enriched Uranium 235) is about 52kg. Criticality however enables spontaneous fission in as little as 21lb (9.5kg) HEU Oor even as little as 57 grams of HEU. (0.12lb) 57 grams will produce a 1 kiloton blast. 21lb of HEU can produce a 16 kt blast.
Prof
Conversely using boosted fission, a technique developed in Nazi Germany by Dr Erich Schumann &Professor Walter Trinks any fissile mass of even low enrichment can be exploded.

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https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi ... 0603/html

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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

Post by Simon Gunson » 04 Nov 2021 23:52

OpanaPointer wrote:
22 Dec 2020 13:57

I await your factual rebuttal
I also await your explanation how the Me262 could be used in the role of a bomber without any bombsights?

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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

Post by wm » 05 Nov 2021 01:51

Where did you get that 57 grams?
The best of them is californium-252 (at 2.73 kg) and so far humanity has been able to produce it in quantities barely visible by the naked eye.

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Re: First atomic bomb was German !?!

Post by OpanaPointer » 05 Nov 2021 10:34

Simon Gunson wrote:
04 Nov 2021 23:52
OpanaPointer wrote:
22 Dec 2020 13:57

I await your factual rebuttal
I also await your explanation how the Me262 could be used in the role of a bomber without any bombsights?
Easy, how do you say "fiat" in German?
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