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Re: ► Photothread: Bloody Hansa Lloyd/Borgwards

Post by Sturm78 » 30 Oct 2021 11:39

Thanks, Bert

In reality I think the Merkur I, II and III are very similar and are quite difficult to differentiate for me....

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Re: ► Photothread: Bloody Hansa Lloyd/Borgwards

Post by SIS 5 » 30 Oct 2021 19:03

Hi Sturm 78,

You are right, it is not so easy to ID Hansa-Lloyd trucks.
AFAIK the type Merkur I (3to) was produced 1929 - 31,
the Merkur II (3 1/2 - 4to) was produced 1932/33,
and the type Merkur III (4to) was produced from 1934 - 1936.
Here the only drawings of a Merkur I and a Merkur II that I could find.
I think that only the Merkur III was ordered from 1934 to 1936 by the Wehrmacht for the motorization of the army.

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Re: ► Photothread: Bloody Hansa Lloyd/Borgwards

Post by Sturm78 » 12 Apr 2022 20:09

Hi all,

An image from Ebay: a 3ton Benzin G.W.

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Re: ► Photothread: Bloody Hansa Lloyd/Borgwards

Post by carius » 18 Jun 2022 04:59

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Re: ► Photothread: Bloody Hansa Lloyd/Borgwards

Post by carius » 12 Aug 2022 17:03

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Re: ► Photothread: Bloody Hansa Lloyd/Borgwards

Post by carius » 17 Aug 2022 15:59

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Re: ► Photothread: Bloody Hansa Lloyd/Borgwards

Post by carius » 12 Sep 2022 03:29

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Re: ► Photothread: Bloody Hansa Lloyd/Borgwards

Post by Sturm78 » 12 Sep 2022 20:07

Hi all,

An image from Ebay. I think a Borgward Typ 3t Benzin G.W. truck....

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Re: ► Photothread: Bloody Hansa Lloyd/Borgwards

Post by SIS 5 » 16 Sep 2022 17:29

Hi Sturm 78,

a very interesting pic for me! Thanks a lot for posting!
I think like You that it is a 3-tonner, but I assume that it is not a Borgward, but a Hansa-Lloyd type (so-called) "3-Tonner Benzin" from the year 1938. So it would be the predecessor of the the Borgward type G.W.

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Re: ► Photothread: Bloody Hansa Lloyd/Borgwards

Post by carius » 19 Sep 2022 15:37

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Re: ► Photothread: Bloody Hansa Lloyd/Borgwards

Post by carius » 26 Sep 2022 17:08

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Re: ► Photothread: Bloody Hansa Lloyd/Borgwards

Post by Sturm78 » 27 Sep 2022 19:58

Bert wrote
a very interesting pic for me! Thanks a lot for posting!
I think like You that it is a 3-tonner, but I assume that it is not a Borgward, but a Hansa-Lloyd type (so-called) "3-Tonner Benzin" from the year 1938. So it would be the predecessor of the the Borgward type G.W.
Thanks for your reply, Bert. What has led you to that conclusion?

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Re: ► Photothread: Bloody Hansa Lloyd/Borgwards

Post by SIS 5 » 29 Sep 2022 16:54

Hi Sturm 78,

thank You very much for Your question, which has led me to a new and closer examination of my conclusion.
So I have to admit that I´was wrongIt is not a Hansa-Lloyd 3-Tonner, but an early version of the Borgward 3-Tonner.
My mistake was not to recognize, that the high distance bars are a field modification.
The vehicle on Your pic is a Pionierkraftwagen (engineer motor vehicle)
Here the points between the elder and newer version:
old: winker fixed more up, down a little bit expanded, new: fixed more down, all the winker with the same width
old: only one windscreen wiper on the left, new: two windscreen wipers
old: rims with two holes, new: rims with eight holes
old: a substructure of the platform with high girders, new: with small girders
old - new: a different order of the boxes under the platform.
Sorry, I don´t have a good pic of the newer version for comparing.

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