ABBL Artillery 1939-40: Field & Heavy Artillery

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Re: ABBL Artillery 1939-40: Field & Heavy Artillery

Post by daveh » 27 Dec 2015 10:09

L’artillerie de tranchée belge et les batteries d’accompagnement by Roger Lothaire gives clear details about the 2 tyes of 76mm mortars
see
http://www.editionsdupatrimoine.be/ft_rl_t4.html

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Re: ABBL Artillery 1939-40: Field & Heavy Artillery

Post by r/t/s » 16 Jan 2016 11:39

Here’s the organisation table of Belgian army and army corps artillery by colonel breveté d’état-major Lothaire. His numbers include the reserves and training & reinforcement units (TRI), so they are slightly higher than those in “Organisation sur le Pied de Guerre”. Lothaire explains that there’s some uncertainty concerning the TRIs, so their figures might be called a professional guess. Lothaire’s book is highly recommendable if you ask me. - rts

ORGANISATION DE L’ARTILLERIE LOURDE EN MAI 1940

Source :
L’artillerie lourde de campagne belge 1914 - 1940 . 2013 . Roger Lothaire . Editions du Patrimoine Militaire
Abréviations :
A : Régiment d’artillerie
ACh : Régiment d’artillerie à cheval (Cavalry artillery regiment)
Bie : Batterie
CA : Corps d’armée
CC : Corps de cavalerie
Gp : Groupe (Artillery battalion)
R : Unité de réserve
RAA : Régiment d’artillerie d’armée
TDLN : Troupes de défense du Luxembourg et Namur (renamed VII CA on 26-12-39 - see http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 2&t=141882 - thank you Daveh)

(1) ARTILLERIE DE CORPS D’ARMÉE

| Unité | No Gp | No Bie | Matériel | Pièces |
| 13 A/II CA | I | 1, 2, 3 | Ob 155 S hippomobile | 12 |
| 13 A/II CA | II | 4, 5, 6 | Ob 155 S hippomobile | 12 |
| 13 A/II CA | III | 7, 8, 9 | C 105 L hippomobile | 12 |
| 13 A/II CA | IV | 10, 11 | C 120 M 31 auto | 8 |
| 13 A/II CA | V | 13, 14 | C 120 M 31 auto | 8 |
| 13 A/II CA | VI | 16, 17, 18 | Ob 155 S hippomobile | 12 |

| 14 A/I CA | I | 1, 2, 3 | Ob 155 S auto | 12 |
| 14 A/I CA | II | 4, 5, 6 | Ob 155 S hippomobile | 12 |
| 14 A/I CA | III | 7, 8, 9 | C 105 L hippomobile | 12 |
| 14 A/I CA | III | 13, 14, 15 | C 105 L hippomobile | 12 |
| 14 A/I CA | IV | 10, 11 | C 120 M 31 auto | 8 |
| 14 A/I CA | VI | 16, 17, 18 | Ob 155 S auto | 12 |

| 15 A/III CA | I | 1, 2, 3 | Ob 155 S hippomobile | 12 |
| 15 A/III CA | II | 4, 5, 6 | Ob 155 S hippomobile | 12 |
| 15 A/III CA | III | 7, 8, 9 | C 105 L hippomobile | 12 |
| 15 A/III CA | IV | 10, 11 | C 120 M 31 auto | 8 |
| 15 A/III CA | V | 13, 14 | C 120 M 31 auto | 8 |
| 15 A/III CA | VI | 16, 17, 18 | Ob 155 S hippomobile | 12 |

| 16 A/IV CA | I | 1, 2, 3 | Ob 155 S hippomobile | 12 |
| 16 A/IV CA | II | 4, 5, 6 | Ob 155 S hippomobile | 12 |
| 16 A/IV CA | III | 7, 8, 9 | C 105 L hippomobile | 12 |
| 16 A/IV CA | III | 10, 11, 12 | C 105 L hippomobile | 12 |
| 16 A/IV CA | IV | 13, 14 | C 120 M 31 automobile | 8 |
| 16 A/IV CA | VI | 16, 17, 18 | Ob 155 S hippomobile | 12 |

| 19 ACh | I | 1, 2, 3 | C 75 GP auto | 12 |
| 19 ACh | II | 4, 5, 6 | C 75 GP auto | 12 |
| 19 ACh | III | 7, 8, 9 | Ob 105 GP auto | 12 |
| 19 ACh | IV | 10, 11, 12 | Ob 105 GP auto | 12 |

| 20 A | I | 1, 2 | Ob 75 auto | 8 |
| 20 A | II | 7, 8, 9 | Ob 105 GP auto | 12 |
| 20 A | III | 4, 5 | Ob 75 auto | 8 |
| 20 A | IV (R) | 10, 11, 12 | Ob 105 GP auto | 12 |

| Unité | Bie | Matériel | Pièces |
| TDLN | 1ere Bie indépendante (á Neufchâteau) (R) | Ob 150 L 17 auto | 4 |
| TDLN | 2e Bie indépendante (á Libramont) (R) | Ob 150 L 17 auto | 4 |

| V CA | Bie (R) | C 120 De Bange | 4 |

Sous-total pièces : 364

(2) ARTILLERIE D’ARMÉE

| Unité | No Gp | No Bie | Matériel | Pièces |
| I RAA | I | 1, 2, 3 | C 155 L auto | 12 |
| I RAA | II | 4, 5, 6 | C 150 L 43 auto | 12 |
| I RAA | III | 7, 8, 9 | C 155 M 24 auto | 12 |

| II RAA | I | 1, 2, 3 | Mor 220 auto | 12 |
| II RAA | II | Artillerie lourde sur voie ferrée passé II/V RAA (R)
| II RAA | III | 10, 11, 12 | Mor 220 auto | 12 |
| II RAA | IV | 13, 14, 15 | Mor 220 auto | 12 |

| III RAA | I | 1, 2, 3 | C 155 L auto | 12 |
| III RAA | II | 4, 5, 6 | C 155 L auto | 12 |
| III RAA | III | 7, 8, 9 | C 155 L auto | 12 |
| III RAA | IV | Mortiers d’artillerie de tranchée (not included in the book)

| IV RAA (R) | I | 1, 2, 3 | Ob 150 L 17 auto | 12 |
| IV RAA (R) | II | 4, 5, 6 | Ob 150 L 17 hippomobile | 12 |
| IV RAA (R) | III | 7, 8, 9 | Ob 150 L 17 hippomobile | 12 |
| IV RAA (R) | IV | 10, 11, 12 | Ob 150 L 17 hippomobile | 12 |
| IV RAA (R) | V | 13, 14, 15 | Ob 6" hippomobile | 12 |
| IV RAA (R) | VI | 16, 17, 18 | Ob 6" hippomobile | 12 |

| V RAA (R) | I | Artillerie de côte (not included in the book)
| V RAA (R) | II | 4, 5, 6 | C 170 ALVF | 6 |
| V RAA (R) | II | 7, 8 | C 280 ALVF | 4 |
| V RAA (R) | II | 9 | C 280 ALVF | 1 |
| V RAA (R) | II | 10 | Mor 12" ALVF | 1 |

Sous-total pièces : 192

(3) TROUPES DE RENFORT ET D’INSTRUCTION

| Unité | No Gp | Matériel | Pièces |
| TRI | 31 | C 105 L hippomobile | 4 |
| TRI | 31 | Ob 155 S hippomobile | 4 |
| TRI | 32 | C 105 L hippomobile | 4 |
| TRI | 32 | Ob 155 S hippomobile | 4 |
| TRI | 33 | C 105 L auto | 4 |
| TRI | 33 | Ob 155 S auto | 4 |
| TRI | 34 | Artillerie légère auto (not included in the book)

| Unité | Matériel | Pièces |
| VI RAA | C 155 L * | 2 |
| VI RAA | C 155 M 24 * | 1 |
| VI RAA | C 150 L 43 * | 1 |
| VI RAA | Mor 220 * | 4 |
(* probably auto - rts)

Sous-total pièces : 32


(4) TOTAUX

| Désignation par Lothaire | Description | Nombre par Lothaire (vs Organisation sur le Pied de Guerre) |
| C 75 GP | Canon de Campagne de 75 mm Cockerill Grande Puissance / II / III | 24 |
| Ob 75 | Obusier de Montagne de 75 Bofors Mle 34 | 16 |
| C 105 L | Canon de Campagne de 105 mm Long Schneider Mle 13 | 84 (+ 12) |
| Ob 105 GP | Obusier de Campagne de 105 mm Krupp Grande Puissance Mle 16 | 48 |
| C 120 De Bange | Canon de Position de 120 mm Long De Bange Mle 1878/16 | 4 |
| C 120 Mod. 31 | Canon de Campagne de 120 mm FRC Mle 31 | 48 |
| C 150 L 43 | Canon de Campagne de 150 mm L/43 Krupp / Rheinmetall Mle 16 | 13 (+ 1) |
| Ob 150 L 17 | Obusier de Campagne de 150 mm L/17 Krupp Mle 13 | 56 (+ 8) |
| Ob 6" | Obusier de Campagne de 6" (152 mm) Vickers Mle 15 | 24 |
| C 155 L | Canon de Campagne de 155 mm Long Schneider Mle 17 | 50 (+ 2) |
| Ob 155 S | Obusier de Campagne de 155 mm Schneider Mle 17 | 156 (+ 12) |
| C 155 Mod. 24 | Canon de Campagne de 155 mm Cockerill Mle 24 | 13 (+ 1) |
| Mor 220 | Mortier de Campagne de 220 mm Schneider Tir Rapide Mle 16 | 40 (+ 4) |
| C 170 ALVF | Canon de 170 mm L/40 ALVF Krupp Mle 17 | 6 |
| C 280 ALVF | Canon de 280 mm L/40 ALVF Krupp Mle 17 | 5 |
| Mor 12" ALVF | Mortier de 12" (305 mm) ALVF Elswick Mle 16 | 1 |

Total pièces : 588 (+ 40 compared to Organisation sur le Pied de Guerre)

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Re: ABBL Artillery 1939-40: Field & Heavy Artillery

Post by r/t/s » 29 Jan 2016 17:21

Elsewhere in his book Lothaire gives 8 x Ob6" to TDLN (VII Corps) instead of Ob 150 L 17. I'd prefer the figure 8 x Ob6" (from IV RAA) which gives new numbers for C 150 L 17 (now 48) and for the total (now 580 or + 32 compared to ...), but judge yourself!
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Re: ABBL Artillery 1939-40: Field & Heavy Artillery

Post by r/t/s » 29 Jan 2016 17:25

And forward we march, this time in Dutch. The following is an attempt to compile a single TOE of Belgian field and heavy artillery from the data published at https://18daagseveldtocht.wikispaces.com/Artillerie. My knowledge of Dutch is limited, so beware of mistakes. - rts

VELD- EN ZWARE ARTILLERIE

C - kanon
Mor - mortier
Ob - houwitzer

LEGERARTILLERIE - 1LA … 4LA, 6LA

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Leger | 1LA | I | 1, 2, 3 | 12 x C155L M17 | beperkte mobiliteit |
| Leger | 1LA | II | 4, 5, 6 | 12 x C150 L43 M16 | beperkte mobiliteit |
| Leger | 1LA | III | 7, 8, 9 | 12 x C155L M24 | beperkte mobiliteit |

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Leger | 2LA | I | 1, 2, 3 | 12 x Mor220 | Brossel TAL + Pavesi P100 + Latil TAR |
| Leger | 2LA | III | 10, 11, 12 | 12 x Mor220 | Brossel TAL + Pavesi P100 + Latil TAR |
| Leger | 2LA | IV | 13, 14, 15 | 12 x Mor220 | Brossel TAL + Pavesi P100 + Latil TAR |

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Leger | 3LA (res) | I | 1, 2, 3 | 12 x C155L M17 | … |
| Leger | 3LA (res) | I | 4, 5, 6 | 12 x C155L M17 | … |
| Leger | 3LA (res) | I | 7, 8, 9 | 12 x C155L M17 | … |

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Leger | 4LA (res) | I | 1, 2, 3 | 12 x Ob150L M17 | Latil KTL4 + Vrachtwagen |
| Leger | 4LA (res) | II | 4, 5, 6 | 12 x Ob150L M17 | Artillerietrekker + Autobussen + Paarden |
| Leger | 4LA (res) | III | 7, 8, 9 | 12 x Ob150L M17 | Artillerietrekker + Autobussen + Paarden |
| Leger | 4LA (res) | IV | 10, 11, 12 | 12 x Ob150L M17 | Artillerietrekker + Autobussen + Paarden |
| Leger | 4LA (res) | V | 13, 14, 15 | 12 x Ob6” M17 | Artillerietrekker + Autobussen + Paarden |
| Leger | 4LA (res) | VI | 16, 17, 18 | 12 x Ob6” M17 | Artillerietrekker + Autobussen + Paarden |

NB - 5LA is regarded speciale artillerie regiment

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 6LA | I | 3 | 4 x Mor220 | … |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 6LA | I | 4 | 2 x C155L M17 + 1 x C155L M24 + 1 x C150 L43 M16 | …|

KORPSARTILLERIE - 13A … 16A, 19A

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Legerkorps | 13A, 15A | I | 1, 2, 3 | 12 x Ob155 M17 | … |
| Legerkorps | 13A, 15A | II | 4, 5, 6 | 12 x Ob155 M17 | … |
| Legerkorps | 13A, 15A | III | 7, 8, 9 | 12 x C105L M13 | … |
| Legerkorps | 13A, 15A | IV | 10, 11 | 8 x C120 M31 | FN Kégresse 63T |
| Legerkorps | 13A, 15A | V | 13, 14 | 8 x C120 M31 | FN Kégresse 63T |
| Legerkorps | 13A, 15A | VI | 16, 17, 18 | 12 x Ob155 M17 | … |

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Legerkorps | 14A | I | 1, 2, 3 | 12 x Ob155 M17 | Citroën Kégresse P14B |
| Legerkorps | 14A | II | 4, 5, 6 | 12 x Ob155 M17 | Paarden |
| Legerkorps | 14A | III | 7, 8, 9 | 12 x C105L M13 | Paarden |
| Legerkorps | 14A | IV | 10, 11 | 8 x C120 M31 | Citroën Kégresse P14A |
| Legerkorps | 14A | V | 13, 14, 15 | 12 x C105L M13 | Paarden |
| Legerkorps | 14A | VI | 16, 17, 18 | 12 x Ob155 M17 | Citroën Kégresse P14B |

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Legerkorps | 16A | I | 1, 2, 3 | 12 x Ob155 M17 | … |
| Legerkorps | 16A | II | 4, 5, 6 | 12 x Ob155 M17 | … |
| Legerkorps | 16A | III | 7, 8, 9 | 12 x C105L M13 | … |
| Legerkorps | 16A | IV | 10, 11, 12 | 12 x C105L M13 | … |
| Legerkorps | 16A | V | 13, 14 | 8 x C120 M31 | FN Kégresse 63T |
| Legerkorps | 16A | VI | 16, 17, 18 | 12 x Ob155 M17 | … |

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Cavaleriekorps | 19A | I | 1, 2, 3 | 12 x C75GPIII | Latil M2TL6 |
| Cavaleriekorps | 19A | II | 4, 5, 6 | 12 x C75GPIII | Latil M2TL6 |
| Cavaleriekorps | 19A | III | 7, 8, 9 | 12 x Ob105GP | Latil M2TL6 |
| Cavaleriekorps | 19A | IV (res) | 10, 11, 12 | 12 x Ob105GP | Latil M2TL6 |

DIVISIEARTILLERIE - 1A … 12A, 17A, 18A, 20A, 21A … 26A

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Infanteriedivisie | 1A … 12A | I | 1, 2, 3 | 12 x C75GP | Paarden |
| Infanteriedivisie | 1A … 12A | II | 4, 5, 6 | 12 x C75TR | Paarden |
| Infanteriedivisie | 1A … 12A | III | 7, 8, 9 | 12 x C75TR | Paarden |
| Infanteriedivisie | 1A … 12A | IV | 10, 11, 12 | 12 x Ob105GP | Paarden |

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Cavaleriedivisie | 17A, 18A | I | 1, 2, 3 | 12 x C75GPIII | Latil M2TL6 |
| Cavaleriedivisie | 17A, 18A | II | 4, 5, 6 | 12 x C75GPIII | Latil M2TL6 |

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Divisie Ardeense Jagers | 20A | I | 1, 2 | 8 x C75 M34 | FN 63C/4RM + Latil M2TL6 |
| Divisie Ardeense Jagers | 20A | II | 4, 5 | 8 x C75 M34 | FN 63C/4RM + Latil M2TL6 |
| Divisie Ardeense Jagers | 20A | III | 7, 8, 9 | 12 x Ob105GP | FN 63C/4RM + Latil M2TL6 |
| Divisie Ardeense Jagers | 20A | IV | 10, 11, 12 | 12 x Ob105GP | FN 63C/4RM + Latil M2TL6 |

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Infanteriedivisie | 21A (res), 25A (res), 26A (res) | I | 1, 2, 3 | 12 x C75GP | Paarden |
| Infanteriedivisie | 21A (res), 25A (res), 26A (res) | II | 4, 5, 6 | 12 x C75GP | Paarden |

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Infanteriedivisie | 22A (res), 23A (res), 24A (res) | I | 1, 2, 3 | 12 x C75TR | Paarden |
| Infanteriedivisie | 22A (res), 23A (res), 24A (res) | II | 4, 5, 6 | 12 x C75TR | Paarden |

NB - Unused regimental numbers 27, 28, 29, 30

VERSTERKINGS- EN OPLEIDINGSEENHEDEN - 31A … 34A

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 31A | I | 1 | … x C75GP | … |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 31A | I | 2, 3 | … x C75TR | … |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 31A | I | 4 | … x Ob105GP | … |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 31A | II | 1 | … x C75GP | … |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 31A | II | 2, 3 | … x C75TR | … |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 31A | II | 4 | … x Ob105GP | … |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 31A | III | 1 | … x C105L M13 | … |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 31A | III | 2 | … x Ob155 M17 | … |

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 32A | I | 2 * | … x Ob105GP | … |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 32A | III | 1 | … x Ob155 M17 | … |
(* versterkingsbatterij - other batteries with designated equipment in 31A … 34A are instructiebatterijen)

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 33A | I | 1 | 4 x C75GP | … |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 33A | I | 2, 3 | 8 x C75TR | … |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 33A | I | 4 | 4 x Ob105GP | … |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 33A | II | 1 | 4 x C105L M13 | … |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 33A | II | 2 | 3 x Ob105GP | … |

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum | 34A | II | 5 | 4 * x C75 M34 | … |
(* all pieces passed to 20A - rts)

TOTAL - 1LA … 4LA, 6LA, 1A … 26A, 31A … 34A

| Materiaal | Stukken + Reserve in Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum |
| Mor220 | 36 + 4 |
| C155L M17 | 48 + 2 |
| C155L M24 | 12 + 1 |
| Ob6” M17 | 24 |
| C150 L43 M16 | 12 + 1 |
| Ob150L M17 | 48 |
| Ob155 M17 | 144 + … |
| C120 M31 | 48 |
| C105L M13 | 72 + … |
| Ob105GP | 192 + … |
| C75TR | 360 + … |
| C75GP | 216 + … |
| C75GPIII | 72 |
| C75 M34 | 16 |
Total 1.300 stukken + reserve in 35 regimenten

Apart from the reserves in Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum, the numbers and distribution of pieces seem to be identical with those of Organisation sur le pied de guerre. - rts

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Re: ABBL Artillery 1939-40: Field & Heavy Artillery

Post by r/t/s » 29 Jan 2016 17:29

The data on 5de Regiment Legerartillerie, classified as speciale artillerie, at https://18daagseveldtocht.wikispaces.com/Artillerie is somewhat different from what other sources say. Usually Batteries 1 … 3 are only partly covered if at all. Also of interest is what seems to be a coastal version of C120 M31. - rts

SPECIALE ARTILLERIE

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken |
| Leger | 5LA (res) | I | 1 | 4 x C120L M1878 + 4 x C170 L40 |
| Leger | 5LA (res) | I | 2 | 4 x C170 L40 |
| Leger | 5LA (res) | I | 3 | 4 x C120 M31 Marine |
| Leger | 5LA (res) | I | 4 | 13 x C47 |
| Leger | 5LA (res) | II | 4, 5, 6 | 6 x C170 L40 ALVF |
| Leger | 5LA (res) | II | 7, 8, 9 | 5 x C280 L40 ALVF |
| Leger | 5LA (res) | II | 10 | 1 x Mor12” L12 ALVF |
Total 41 stukken

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Re: ABBL Artillery 1939-40: Field & Heavy Artillery

Post by r/t/s » 01 Feb 2016 12:48

Although not part of field and heavy artillery, fortress artillery shared some weapons with them. Moreover, Fortress regiment of Namur|Namen had independent mobile batteries that were ‘fortress’ only organisation-wise.

Unfortunately the fortress artillery section at https://18daagseveldtocht.wikispaces.com/Artillerie was a bit unfinished (2016-01-30) on this otherwise superb site. The following table, based on their data, has many gaps. I filled some gaps with figures from

* http://www.niehorster.org/021_belgium/f ... art_01.htm by Bernard Vanden Bloock (c 2005),
** http://www.fortiff.be/ifb by Jean Puelinckx and Luc Malchair (c 2002 - 2016), and
*** http://zapisnik.fortif.net/category/tema-8-belgicka-php by Ondřej Filip (c 2005 - 2015).

Where sources conflict, I’ve used the data supported by most of them.

This table is still very much incomplete. All comments, corrections, etc. are most welcome.


VESTINGSARTILLERIE

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Materieel |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | I | 1 Eben-Emael |
2 x C120 Koepel + 4 x C75 Koepel + 12 x C75 Kazemat |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | I | 2 Eben-Emael |
12 x C60 Blok + 1 x C47 Bunker |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | II | Pontisse |
2 x C105 L35 Koepel + 4 x C75 Koepel |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | II | Barchon |
2 x C150 Turret + 4 x C105 Turret + 4 x Ob75 Turret + 4 x Grenade launcher (LG50) * |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | II | Aubin-Neufchâteau |
4 x C75 M34 Blok + 3 x Mor81 Blok (+ 5 x C47 *) |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | III | Evegnée |
1 x C150 Turret + 2 x C105 Turret + 3 x Ob75 Turret * |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | III | Fléron |
2 x C150 Turret + 4 x C105 Turret + 4 x Ob75 Turret * |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | IV | Chaudfontaine |
1 x C150 Turret + 2 x C105 Turret + 4 x Ob75 Turret * |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | IV | Embourg |
4 x Ob75 Koepel |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | IV | Boncelles |
4 x Ob75 Koepel |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | IV | Tancrémont |
4 x C75 M34 Blok + 3 x Mor81 Blok (+ 4 x C47 *) |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | IV | Flémalle |
1 x C150 Turret + 2 x C105 Turret + 4 x Ob75 Turret * |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | V | 1 Battice |
4 x C120 Turret + 6 x C75 Turret + 2 x Lance-Mines (MVD) * |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | V | 2 Battice |
4 x C60 Blok * |

Subtotaal 128 stukken (90 x 75/105/120/150 mm + 26 x 47/60 mm + 12 x 50/58/70/81 mm)


| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Materieel |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Namen | I | Marchovelette |
2 x C75GP Coupole + 3 x Ob75TR Coupole ** |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Namen | I | Maizeret |
2 x C105 Coupole + 4 x Ob75 Coupole + 1 x C60 Casemate + 2 x MVD Coupole ** |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Namen | I | Andoy |
2 x C75GP Coupole + 4 x Ob75TR Coupole + 1 x LG50 Coupole ** |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Namen | I | Dave |
2 x C75GP Coupole + 3 x Ob75TR Coupole + 1 x C60 Abri + 1 x LG50 Coupole ** |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Namen | II | St-Héribert |
2 x C75GP Coupole + 4 x Ob75 Coupole ** |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Namen | II | Malonne |
2 x C75 + 3 x Ob75 *** |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Namen | II | Suarlée |
2 x C75GP Coupole + 4 x Ob75 Coupole ** |

Subtotaal 45 stukken (39 x 75/105 mm + 2 x 60 mm + 4 x 50/58/70 mm)


| Eenheid | Regiment | Batterij | Materieel |

| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Namen | Neufchâteau | 4 x Ob6” M17 |
| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Namen | Libramont | 4 x Ob6” M17 |
| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | Onafhankelijke Batterij 4 | … x Mor120 de Bange |

Subtotaal 8 + … stukken


| Materieel|Matériel | Stukken |

| Ob6” M17 | 8 |
| C150 L40 Koepel|Coupole | 7 |
| C120 M31 Koepel|Coupole | 6 |
| C105 L35 Koepel|Coupole | 18 |
| C75GP Koepel|Coupole | 26 |
| Ob75TR Koepel|Coupole | 52 |
| C75 M34 Blok|Bloc | 8 |
| C75GP Kazemat|Casemate | 12 |
| C60 Blok|Bloc Bunker|Abri Kazemat|Casemate | 18 |
| C47 Bunker|Abri | 10 |
| Mor81 Blok|Bloc | 6 |
| MVD58L / MVD70 Koepel|Coupole | 4 |
| LG50 Koepel|Coupole | 6 |

Totaal 181 stukken


LOOPGRAAFARTILLERIE

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Materieel |

| Leger | 3de Regiment Legerartillerie (3LA) | IV | 10, 11, 12 | 36 x MVD58L / MVD70 |
| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Luik | - | Onafhankelijke Batterij 1, 2, 3 | 36 x MVD70 |
| Legerkorps | Vestingsregiment Namen | Groep Loopgraafartillerie | 1 … 4 | 48 x MVD58L |

Totaal 120 stukken

I placed all mobile Van Deuren mortars I found in the category of loopgraafartillerie, or trench artillery. In the organisatiegram they belong to army artillery and fortress regiments.

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Re: ABBL Artillery 1939-40: Field & Heavy Artillery

Post by r/t/s » 03 Feb 2016 21:28

I am puzzled with the Mor120 de Bange that 4th Independent Battery of Fortress Regiment Luik|Liège supposedly had. I suppose the battery had 4 x C120L de Bange as mentioned in some other sources... If anyone knows better, please let me know.

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Re: ABBL Artillery 1939-40: Field & Heavy Artillery

Post by r/t/s » 06 Feb 2016 13:44

Errata

11A had unique composition with 24 x C75GP (instead of 12) and 12 x C75TR (instead of 24).

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken | Transport |
| Infanteriedivisie | 11A | I | 1, 2, 3 | 12 x C75GP | Paarden |
| Infanteriedivisie | 11A | II | 4, 5, 6 | 12 x C75TR | Paarden |
| Infanteriedivisie | 11A | III | 7, 8, 9 | 12 x C75GP | Paarden |
| Infanteriedivisie | 11A | IV | 10, 11, 12 | 12 x Ob105GP | Paarden |

Correct total numbers are therefore:

| Materiaal | Stukken + Reserve in Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum |
| C75TR | 348 + … |
| C75GP | 228 + … |

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Re: ABBL Artillery 1939-40: Field & Heavy Artillery

Post by Ondrej Filip » 09 Feb 2016 09:08

Hi, there is a complete tab of the Belgian fortress artillery in turrets at 1940 year. You can use Google translation. It differs from your list little bit. I have used detailed sources, especially the book La Position Fortifiee de Liège, Tome 5, Les forts de la Meuse modenisés (Coenen, Emile - Vernier, F.).

Except turrets, there were only 7,5 cm cannons at Eben Emael and fortress anti-tank guns. AT guns are infantry weapons and there were many of them in smaller bunkers, especially in "abris de contreirruption" (important pill-boxes near the roads). There could be noticed the use of two special 6cm fortress guns (the same type as at Eben Emael) at the pill-boxes, connected by the underground corridors to the modernised forts (Maizeret - blockhaus Relève, Dave - blockhaus Troonois).

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Re: ABBL Artillery 1939-40: Field & Heavy Artillery

Post by r/t/s » 12 Feb 2016 19:17

Thank you for your remarks, sir! I translated the table http://fortifikace.sweb.cz/materialy/be ... g_1940.htm into a summary:

TURRET WEAPONS OF PFL AND PFN

| Equipment | Emplacement | Pieces (Comparison to Vestingsartillerie table above) |
| C150 L40 | 1-piece turret (ex-Mor210) | 7 (=) |
| C120 M31 | 2-p turret (new) | 6 (=) |
| C105 L35 | 2-p turret (ex-C150) / 2-p turret (ex-C120) / 1-p turret (ex-C120) | 16 (- 2) |
| C75GP | 2-p retractable turret (new) / 2-p turret (ex-C150) | 28 (+ 2) |
| Ob75TR | 1-p retractable turret (ex-C57) | 53 (+ 1) |
| LG50 | Mortar-MG tower (ex-C150) / Mortar tower (ex-C120) | 19 (+ 11) |
Total 129 pieces

I never get anything right first time, so shoot me with corrections and comments. And pay a visit to Mr Ondrej Filip’s authoritative site http://zapisnik.fortif.net. There are excellent maps, diagrams, pics - and text of course, if you read Czech!

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Re: ABBL Artillery 1939-40: Field & Heavy Artillery

Post by r/t/s » 14 Feb 2016 12:04

What kind of TOE we get for Versterkings- en Opleidingscentrum van de Artillerie - if we combine data from some of the best sources, namely:

https://18daagseveldtocht.wikispaces.com/Artillerie,

L’artillerie légère de campagne belge de 1900 à 1940 (Tome I) . 2011 . Roger Lothaire . Editions du Patrimoine Militaire, and

L’artillerie lourde de campagne belge 1914 - 1940 . 2013 . Roger Lothaire . Editions du Patrimoine Militaire.

The following is my guess of what VOC/Aie looked like in the plans. In reality Regiments 31 … 33 were probably less uniformly equipped and organised. (VOC/Aie command was established in 14-5-1940, before that Regiments 6LA and 31A … 34A functioned as eenheden of their own.)


VERSTERKINGS- EN OPLEIDINGSEENHEDEN - 6LA, 31A … 34A

| Eenheid | Regiment | Groep | Batterij | Stukken |
| VOC/Aie | 6LA | I | 3 | 4 x Mor220 |
| VOC/Aie | 6LA | I | 4 | 2 x C155L M17 + 1 x C155L M24 + 1 x C150 L43 M16 |
| VOC/Aie | 31A … 33A | I | 1 | 4 x C75GP |
| VOC/Aie | 31A … 33A | I | 2, 3 | 8 x C75TR |
| VOC/Aie | 31A … 33A | I | 4 | 4 x Ob105GP |
| VOC/Aie | 31A … 33A | II | 1 | 4 x C75GP |
| VOC/Aie | 31A … 33A | II | 2, 3 | 8 x C75TR |
| VOC/Aie | 31A … 33A | II | 4 | 4 x Ob105GP |
| VOC/Aie | 31A … 33A | III | 1 | 4 x C105L M13 |
| VOC/Aie | 31A … 33A | III | 2 | 4 x Ob155 M17 |
| VOC/Aie | 34A | I | … | 4 x C75GP |
| VOC/Aie | 34A | I | … | 2 x Ob105GP + 2 x C75GP |
| VOC/Aie | 34A | II | … | 2 x Ob105GP |
| VOC/Aie | 34A | II | 5 | 4 x C75 M34 |

| Materiaal | Stukken |
| Mor220 | 4 |
| C155L M17 | 2 |
| C155L M24 | 1 |
| Ob155 M17 | 12 |
| C150 L43 M16 | 1 |
| C105L M13 | 12 |
| Ob105GP | 28 |
| C75TR | 48 |
| C75GP | 30 |
| C75 M34 | 4 |
Totaal 142 stukken

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Re: ABBL Artillery 1939-40: Field & Heavy Artillery

Post by Jendrass » 05 May 2021 20:36

Hi
I got a question regarding 12 Belgian 3.7 inch AA guns delivered by Brits until 01.09.1939. Does anybody know something about those guns, where they were placed etc ?

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Re: ABBL Artillery 1939-40: Field & Heavy Artillery

Post by daveh » 08 May 2021 11:28

The following comes from

BELGIQUE 1940: LA DEFENSE ANTIAERIENNE by Eric Simon

LA GARDE TERRITORIALE ANTIAERIENNE

Groupe “R” (Bruxelles)

1 battery 4 C-94 Vickers L/50: Koningsloo

1 battery 4 C-94 Vickers L/50: Leeuw-Saint-Pierre

1 battery 4 C-94 Vickers L/50: Arbe de Dieleghem (Ouest de Wemmel)

It also notes that another 32 had been ordered and a further 100 planned


Something to look forward to:
https://editionsdupatrimoine.be/ has on its website
Belgian anti aircraft artillery by Roger Lothaire as a future publication..

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