Spain and the Axis

Discussions on the Allies and the Neutral States in general and the countries that does not have sections of their own.
User avatar
Zaf1
Member
Posts: 758
Joined: 16 Aug 2009 15:01
Location: Kota Bharu, Malaysia

Spain and the Axis

Post by Zaf1 » 08 Nov 2009 15:01

Hi,

At some point during WW2 Spain was said to be joining the Axis Pact against the British and later it didn't join but instead Japan joined the pact. Why was it so and what would the war be had Spain entered the war?

Regards

Zaf

ljadw
Member
Posts: 12029
Joined: 13 Jul 2009 17:50

Re: Spain and the Axis

Post by ljadw » 08 Nov 2009 21:13

Spain joining the Axis would have been a desaster(for Spain )and a second Italy (for the Germans )

User avatar
tigre
Member
Posts: 9346
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 11:48
Location: Argentina

Re: Spain and the Axis

Post by tigre » 01 Mar 2020 18:53

Hello to all :D; a query.........................

Visit of the Spanish Minister Serrano Suñer 1940.

Sources: fotos. Año IV Nro 186.
https://www.todocoleccion.net/coleccion ... x128777359

Did something interesting come up here? Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
tigre
Member
Posts: 9346
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 11:48
Location: Argentina

Re: Spain and the Axis

Post by tigre » 04 Apr 2020 21:33

Hello to all :D; more........................

Visit of the Spanish Minister Serrano Suñer 1940.

Sources: https://cloud10.todocoleccion.online/mi ... 269159.jpg

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Sid Guttridge
Member
Posts: 9517
Joined: 12 Jun 2008 11:19

Re: Spain and the Axis

Post by Sid Guttridge » 05 Apr 2020 09:50

Hi Zafi,

Spain was starving after the civil war amd imported much of its food and all its oil.

The British naval blockade of continental Europe gave them a stranglehold over Spain's wheat supply from Argentina, oil from the Caribbean and much of its sugar from Cuba. The Spanish fishing fleet was also stopped from trawling for cod in the north Atlantic as British convoy routes passed through the fishing grounds. The Axis powers couldn't replace any of these things. Furthermore, Spain's remainng colonies were vulnerable to British attack. It was primarily these factors that held Spain back from joining the Axis in 1940-41.

Cheers,

Sid.

Kelvin
Member
Posts: 2993
Joined: 06 Apr 2007 14:49

Re: Spain and the Axis

Post by Kelvin » 20 Apr 2020 10:29

Franco was uncertain whether Hitler won the war in 1940. The failure of the Luftwaffe over the English Channel and British attitude made him very cautious. His troop numbered About Million but Equipment was backward. His Navy is much inferior to that of Italy. Her sea LOC is under British threat in many key items like oil and Food.

User avatar
Ironmachine
Member
Posts: 5627
Joined: 07 Jul 2005 10:50
Location: Spain

Re: Spain and the Axis

Post by Ironmachine » 20 Apr 2020 13:10

Kelvin wrote:His troop numbered About Million
That's not true. At the end of the SCW, on April 1949, there were indeed slightly more that one million men in Franco's army (plus those in the Republican armies). But by 1940 the forces had been demobilized, and there were only slightly more than 350.000 men in the Army. Even with partial mobilizations and changes of TO&Es, the number never went near one million. For example, by the summer of 1941, a good estimate would be 430,000 men in the Army. And of course, even if there were enough men for mobilizing a one-million-men army, there were not enough weapons and equipment. There was a lack of basic equipment even for the actual number of men in service.
Kelvin wrote:His Navy is much inferior to that of Italy
That's not saying much because, first, the Italian Navy was quite powerful (at least on paper) and, second, the same can be said of most European Navies at the time. But yes, the Spanish Navy was just a handful of weak cruisers and worn-out destroyers, not much help for the German war effort in any case.

Return to “The Allies and the Neutral States in general”