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Id. british vehicle

Post by Sturm78 » 04 Apr 2014 13:33

Hi all,

How is posible to differenciate between Bren Carrier and Universal Carrier vehicles? :?

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Post by Saxon Cross » 04 Apr 2014 15:23

The main noticeable difference is that the side armour of the Universal was much improved, going higher and appearing more box like. The hanging coat is obscuring a clear view, but it looks like a Bren Gun Carrier, not a Universal.

Another clue is the date. I don't think Universals were produced until late 1940, perhaps even December.

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Post by Sturm78 » 04 Apr 2014 18:44

Thanks, Saxon.

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Post by Saxon Cross » 08 Apr 2014 15:38

Here's a graphic, that makes it a bit clearer.

The first and second carriers have the earlier design, with armour sloping towards the rear (most clear on the first carrier).

The second 1940 'Bren Gun Carrier' has the same armour, sloping towards the rear, but it's partially hidden by ammo boxes, tool boxes and other kit.

The third carrier is the 'universal' with improved 'box like' side armour.

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Post by John Hilly » 08 Apr 2014 16:37

Thanks for the info from me too Saxon!
What is 'the Main Gun' in those two newer models?

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Post by phylo_roadking » 08 Apr 2014 16:41

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Post by Saxon Cross » 08 Apr 2014 18:24

The Boys was not the typical armament for a carrier. During WWII the most common armament for the carriers was a Bren Light MG in the front aperture, or perhaps in the rear on an AA mount.

But they were also used to carry:

Vickers HMG
Boys Anti-tank Rifle
PIAT
3 inch Mortar

Apparently, they even mounted an Anti-tank gun on top of the carrier.
But they were more often used as gun tractors to tow anti-tanks guns (2 Pdr, 6 Pdr, 17 Pdr), and as ammo carriers.

The Germans captured quite a lot in France 1940 (like the one in the OP) and they adapted them for all sorts of weapons.

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Post by Sturm78 » 09 Apr 2014 09:54

Thank you very much for your information, Saxon. :)

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Post by phylo_roadking » 09 Apr 2014 13:40

Strum78, if you wish to follow this up more - sometimes the most humble of WWII transport and technology is among the most interesting! (as in...how DID they fight a war in those things???) - CMV magazine here in the UK has recently run a series of three very informative monthly articles on the history and development of the Carrier. There's an online version of the magazine which should carry them.
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Post by Sturm78 » 11 Dec 2014 10:08

Hi all,

Can anyone identify this model ?? I think a Light Dragon, but I am not sure.
Any information about these vehicles will be wellcome

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Post by phylo_roadking » 11 Dec 2014 16:53

Hi Sturm78 - no; look at the front nose/glacis plate. THIS is a Dragon Carrier...

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Your pic is of the Loyd Carrier;


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Post by Sturm78 » 17 Dec 2014 13:10

Thank you very much for your help, phylo_roadking

There are not much information about these vehicles on the net....

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Post by phylo_roadking » 17 Dec 2014 19:31

No, not as yet :( The main respositories for British "softskin" and other transport are still off the net, in specialist books and monthly magazines like Classic Military Vehicles. Last year they did a very detailed five-issue article on British and U.S. and Australian pattern carriers of all types.

It does have a website, but you still have to pay to see the actual monthly content online.
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Post by Sturm78 » 06 May 2015 12:00

Hi all,

I found on Ebay these two rares images of a Clayton crawler tractor towing artilley with a strange limber. 1920s ??? :?

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Post by Paul_G_Baker » 06 May 2015 13:46

Late '20s or - more probably - '30s, Sturm.

Googled the trading name and came up with this link:- http://archive.commercialmotor.com/arti ... k-for-army
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