TOE for bataillon de Douanier 1940

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TOE for bataillon de Douanier 1940

Post by Kelvin » 07 Jul 2021 07:05

Hi, everyone, I see website on contribution of bataillon de Douanier and French Custom Corps in 1940. They are considered as combat units of the French Armed Forces, but how many manpower in a single bataillon de Douanier, like standard 867 men infantry battalion (Metroplitan France) or like training battalion (664 men) , anyone have data or link on their detailed organization, thank

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Re: TOE for bataillon de Douanier 1940

Post by Loïc » 07 Jul 2021 10:42

hello

there is not at all a single/standard TOE for a Customs Battalion nor in number of companies nor in men, they are covered by Lee Sharp in his Volume VI part 3
as said in an other thread the Customs Battalions can be seen something like the Departemental Gendarmerie with territorial companies covering under their authorities a variable number small brigades/posts instead of a general standard strenght, and contrary to the cantonal brigades of Gendarmerie the Customs brigades could also vary in size

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Re: TOE for bataillon de Douanier 1940

Post by Kelvin » 07 Jul 2021 13:16

Loïc wrote:
07 Jul 2021 10:42
hello

there is not at all a single/standard TOE for a Customs Battalion nor in number of companies nor in men, they are covered by Lee Sharp in his Volume VI part 3
as said in an other thread the Customs Battalions can be seen something like the Departemental Gendarmerie with territorial companies covering under their authorities a variable number small brigades/posts instead of a general standard strenght, and contrary to the cantonal brigades of Gendarmerie the Customs brigades could also vary in size
Hello, Loic, thank for your data, however, I don't have this volume, do you have general data on average battalion like manpower ? Thank

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Re: TOE for bataillon de Douaniers 1940

Post by Loïc » 07 Jul 2021 21:34

There is not really an average because this one would not reflect at all the reality of the Battalions so differents in size, even between their own companies and brigades, there were companies from 40 to 200 men in the same battalion, the whole 26th Battalion of Corsica, with 2 companies, numbered only 90 men equivalent to one company in an other, a 3-companies-battalion can be much larger than a 6-companies one

12 000 men were mobilised in the 26 Customs Battalions in september 1939, but such strenght was reduced the following autumn because the younger left the battalions for others units in the Army

Page about the 2nd Battalion in Dunkirk 1940 - 558 men -
https://histoire-de-la-douane.org/dunkerque-1940/
according to Lee Sharp its 6 companies had each one : 109 - 58 - 99 - 51 - 40 - 200

number of companies according to Lee Sharp Volume VI part 3
1er (3)
2e (6) 558 men
3e (7 to 10)
4e (9)
5e (8) 832 men
6e (2) 186 men
7e (6)
8e (4) 425 (of which the smallest company only 45)
9e (6)
10e (5)
11e (3)
12e (6)
13e (5)
14e (3) 935 men
15e (3)
16e (4)
17e (6) 503 men
18e (3)
19e (2 or 3)
20e (2)
21e (4)
22e (3)
23e (3) 399 men
24e (3) 648 men
25e (3)
26e (2) 90 men

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Loïc

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Re: TOE for bataillon de Douaniers 1940

Post by Kelvin » 08 Jul 2021 04:17

Loïc wrote:
07 Jul 2021 21:34
There is not really an average because this one would not reflect at all the reality of the Battalions so differents in size, even between their own companies and brigades, there were companies from 40 to 200 men in the same battalion, the whole 26th Battalion of Corsica, with 2 companies, numbered only 90 men equivalent to one company in an other, a 3-companies-battalion can be much larger than a 6-companies one

12 000 men were mobilised in the 26 Customs Battalions in september 1939, but such strenght was reduced the following autumn because the younger left the battalions for others units in the Army

Page about the 2nd Battalion in Dunkirk 1940 - 558 men -
https://histoire-de-la-douane.org/dunkerque-1940/
according to Lee Sharp its 6 companies had each one : 109 - 58 - 99 - 51 - 40 - 200

number of companies according to Lee Sharp Volume VI part 3
1er (3)
2e (6) 558 men
3e (7 to 10)
4e (9)
5e (8) 832 men
6e (2) 186 men
7e (6)
8e (4) 425 (of which the smallest company only 45)
9e (6)
10e (5)
11e (3)
12e (6)
13e (5)
14e (3) 935 men
15e (3)
16e (4)
17e (6) 503 men
18e (3)
19e (2 or 3)
20e (2)
21e (4)
22e (3)
23e (3) 399 men
24e (3) 648 men
25e (3)
26e (2) 90 men

Regards
Loïc
Hello, Loic, thank so much for your detailed answer, Very helpful.

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