Organization of Group Duffour and ending 1940

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Re: Organization of Groupement Duffour 1940

Post by Kelvin » 14 Jul 2021 07:33

Kelvin wrote:
07 Jun 2021 06:58
Loïc wrote:
06 Jun 2021 17:58
It was an Army Corps size - Groupement - not a Group

I think it is a question of migration of the website because this thread is now here
https://atf40.1fr1.net/t6162-corps-d-armee-duffour
Hi, Loic, thank for your link, very helpful for me. :D

For another link in battalion of Douanier, only see 6e, 7e and 8e Douanier in SF Lille, but Lee Sharp vol III mentions 3e Douanier battalion in Lille, did this unit still there in June 1940 ?

Hello, Loic, I have some confusion over the end of Groupement Duffour as when they are overtaken by German on 17th June and was dissolved on June 22 1940, that mean they were dissolved because of armistice on June 22 and back to civilisan status, or being captured by German or just evacuated by British RN ? what are Groupement Duffour located was in German occupation zone in accordance with armistice.

But I know General Duffour was retired after campaign.

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Re: Organization of Group Duffour and ending 1940

Post by Loïc » 14 Jul 2021 23:55

hello
but Rethondes the 22nd june is not relationned to the Armies operating on the field despite many books websites retained this date as the end of the campaign, they forget that the Armistice with the germans is conditionned to the second with the Italians and didn't take place before the 25th june at 00h35, there was not Halt Order nor demobilisation such day for any of the three belligerents, the Groupement is disbanded because it has ceased to exist on the field with its both 17e and 236e DLI having been mostly encircled dislocated
the 90e RI of the 17e DLI, far from the Loire, remained isolated near Ernée and surrendered the 27th june at 9h00

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Re: Organization of Group Duffour and ending 1940

Post by Kelvin » 15 Jul 2021 08:57

Loïc wrote:
14 Jul 2021 23:55
hello
but Rethondes the 22nd june is not relationned to the Armies operating on the field despite many books websites retained this date as the end of the campaign, they forget that the Armistice with the germans is conditionned to the second with the Italians and didn't take place before the 25th june at 00h35, there was not Halt Order nor demobilisation such day for any of the three belligerents, the Groupement is disbanded because it has ceased to exist on the field with its both 17e and 236e DLI having been mostly encircled dislocated
the 90e RI of the 17e DLI, far from the Loire, remained isolated near Ernée and surrendered the 27th june at 9h00
Hello, Loic, thank for your help again. Did some minor units of that Groupement like 23e and 24e bataillon de Douaniers and IV/239e RI or 196e RALD were also captured or destroyed in this process ? Thank

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Re: Organization of Group Duffour and ending 1940

Post by Loïc » 16 Jul 2021 16:48

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encircled for the IV/239e RI, destroyed captured withdrawn for elements of the 196e RALT, no precise indications for both Customs Battalions, probably the same as the 196e RALT

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Re: Organization of Group Duffour and ending 1940

Post by Kelvin » 17 Jul 2021 13:57

Loïc wrote:
16 Jul 2021 16:48
hello
encircled for the IV/239e RI, destroyed captured withdrawn for elements of the 196e RALT, no precise indications for both Customs Battalions, probably the same as the 196e RALT
Hello, Loic, thank again for your help.

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