French colonial troops in 1940?

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Re: French colonial troops in 1940?

Post by Kelvin » 16 Jan 2018 17:55

Loïc wrote:the DINA in peacetime were only in metropolitan France, not in North Africa and not belonging to Colonial Troops, I don't see both protectorates and the Foreign Affairs having something to say in this matter...

the Vietnamese, the Indochinese, it is the same case than the Magalasy but into the 52nd Machine-Gun Half-Brigade mixed with French Pyrenean reservists, a 55th Battalion was raised from remnants of this unit in june 1940

there were others Indochinese units but the main difference with others colonies, as from a military and colonial perspective they are not really perceived favourably as good recruits and first line troops, just at least recognized for specialized tasks (drivers, nurses, Ordnance, Quatermaster services...) so they were mobilised into auxiliaries to not say civililan workers companies
actually most numerous were the Indochinese workers/labour units, one company and one Battalion with military status and above all the 73 companies with civilian status of the 5 Indochinese workers Legions
also military were 20 Quatermaster auxiliaries companies for Army field bakeries and 16 machine-gun AAA units in metropolitan France, 2 Pioneer Battalions for Levant

the Metropolitan authorities planned to raise from Indochina 2 or 3 unrealistic expeditionnary Divisions for France and Syria-Lebanon and 100 000 civilian workers more for metropolitan factories

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Loïc

Hi, Loic, thank a lot for your information.

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Re: French colonial troops in 1940?

Post by smvk » 27 Nov 2022 09:40

Dear All,

I have just bought a wooden box made by Maurice Lucien Carrat from one of his family members.

The wooden box depicts a branche with leaves and the text Dona Nobis Pacem = Donne-nous la paix = Give us peace

I would like to learn more about him and his military carreer to add the information in the box for future generations.

I do read and write both French, English and German and articles or books mentioning him are very welcome !

The information I have received thusfar is :

MAURICE LUCIEN CARRAT

14.02.1901 - naissance Villemur-sur-Tarn, Haute-Garonne, Occitanie

26.06.1974 - decede Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Occitanie

Ecole Saint Maixent (Annee 20)

Officier - Fin de carriere grade Lieutnant Colonel

Militaire en Colonie = Rabat, Maroc et Dakar, Senegal et sejour en Indochine

Non-confirmee = fait prissonier de Guerre (duree : 5 ans) en Allemagne

Passetemps : la peche, fabrication d'objet en bois

Thank you so much in advance for all your information. Any help is appreciated !

N.B. I have seen that David Lehmann is not longer an active member, does anyone know how to reach him to also ask him if he could help ?

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Re: French colonial troops in 1940?

Post by Loïc » 27 Nov 2022 14:57

He appears as Colonial Infantry/Marine Infantry Officer
-sous-lieutenant since 1st october 1926
16e RTS (Montauban, France) 1926 then 3e Régiment de Tirailleurs Tonkinois, Indochina 1927
-lieutenant 1st october 1928
1931 in 16e RTS
1932 Etat-Major Particulier de l'Infanterie Coloniale as Instructeur Ecole Militaire d'Infanterie de Saint Maixent
1934 Adjoint Militaire du Cercle de Beni-Mellal, Maroc
-capitaine 25th june 1934
1937 Etat-Major du Général Commandant-en-Chef les Troupes du Maroc (Rabat)
then joins again the 16e RTS in Montauban where he was still in 1939-1940
(Citation & Chevalier de la Légion d'Honneur september 1940)
-Chef de Bataillon 25 december 1941
-Lieutenant-Colonel (...)
-Colonel october 1958 was in Staff of Groupe de Subdivisions de Toulouse

mentionned here in the massacre of Erquinvilliers
http://www.museeresistance.montauban.co ... 16eRTS.pdf
Ainsi, les 26 et 27 mai 1940, près d’Aubigny, des hommes blessés appartenant au 16e RTS sont assassinés. Quelques jours plus tard,
le 9 juin, le 24e et le 16e RTS se retrouvent face à des soldats allemands qui tiennent les villages de Cressonsacq et Erquinvillers, dans l’Oise.
Le lendemain matin, Erquinvillers est incendié par l’armée allemande et les survivants doivent se rendre.
Les tirailleurs sénégalais subissent alors les foudres des soldats de la Wehrmacht. Les blessés sont tués sur place au pistolet. Les autres sont
rassemblés et abattus à la mitrailleuse.
Ceux qui tentent de fuir subissent le même sort. Lucien Carrat, sous-officier [sic?!] du 16e RTS, proteste et demande à voir la preuve du crime
imputé à ces soldats, responsables d’après les Allemands d’avoir blessé des gardes en tentant de fuir. Sa demande rejetée, il lui est répondu
qu’“une race inférieure ne méritait pas de combattre une race aussi civilisée que la race allemande”...
Certains tirailleurs parviennent néanmoins à s’échapper mais sont capturés les jours suivants et systématiquement fusillés.
Pas moins de 50 soldats du 24e et 16e RTS sont ainsi décimés dans le secteur
Regards
Loïc

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Re: French colonial troops in 1940?

Post by smvk » 27 Nov 2022 19:21

Merci mille fois, Loic! 🤩

I will correct the information received from the family and maybe more information on top of your great timeline will surface.

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