warsaw ghetto uprising january 1943

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warsaw ghetto uprising january 1943

Post by LAstry » 04 Apr 2022 13:39

I came across an account that in Warsaw ghetto Uprising January 1943 german casualites were 2 Askias killed and a german Police captain wounded. Confirmed?

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Re: warsaw ghetto uprising january 1943

Post by wm » 04 Apr 2022 20:26

As far as know the casualties is pure guessing.
That looks at least reasonable, after all, it was puny guns (probably some small self-defense revolvers popular in the Second Polish Republic) against battle riffles.
And: Askaris.

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Re: warsaw ghetto uprising january 1943

Post by LAstry » 09 Apr 2022 15:33

I think the source Was Hillberg The destruction of the europen Jewry...a sentnce with a footnote....

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Post by wm » 20 Apr 2022 07:49

The usually reliable "Encyclopedia of the Third Reich" says a German police captain was seriously wounded and 1,171 Jews were shot as a countermeasure.

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Post by Steve » 20 Apr 2022 11:22

I am surprised that no one has mentioned the Stroop Report compiled by SS General Jurgen Stroop for Himmler. This is a comprehensive (completely true?) report on the destruction of the Ghetto and gives the German casualties. The links below will take you to it.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/th ... t-may-1943

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroop_Report

Wikipedia includes pictures from the report but not the full report. The Jewish library has the full report but not the pictures which are grisly.

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Re: warsaw ghetto uprising january 1943

Post by wm » 20 Apr 2022 18:15

Unfortunately, this is a different uprising (January).

Stroop is reliable when he writes about events he witnessed personally otherwise he frequently fantasizes or simply doesn't understand what's going on.

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Post by gebhk » 20 Apr 2022 22:42

Hi Steve

Alas, as far as I can see, all Stroop's report says on the subject is that "In January 1942, another resettlement action took place which accounted for 6500 Jews in all".

The report is also available and downloadable on the IPN website.

https://ipn.gov.pl/download/1/380034/RaportSTROOPA.pdf

If you speak Polish and/or German I would recommend this, as the translation into Polish is better than the English one on the Jewish Virtual Library. It also has a scan of one of the the original German documents, used as evidence in the Nuremberg trials. A point to bear in mind, is that like many such 'short run' cottage industry publications, the extant surviving documents vary in their content in details, most notably the selection of photographs.

The title does not mention the word 'Ghetto'. A more accurate translation of the German title, "Es gibt keinen jüdischen Wohnbezirk – in Warschau mehr!" might be 'There is no Jewish residantial area in Warsaw any more'. The (I suspect unintentional - Stroop does not come across as a particularly witty man!) macabre irony of calling that horror a 'residential area' should be preserved in my opinion.

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Re: warsaw ghetto uprising january 1943

Post by Steve » 21 Apr 2022 08:57

My mistake as when I read the words Ghetto uprising I just assumed it was the big one. The Yad Vashem museum in Israel does not refer to the January events as a ghetto uprising but as armed resistance. Must try harder.

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Re: warsaw ghetto uprising january 1943

Post by gebhk » 21 Apr 2022 11:12

Hi Steve

You are not alone! I too started to write about the Strop repoert and the casualty figures therein etc before the gears finally meshed in my brain! As an aside, there are clearly some issues with the casualty lists in the Stroop report - not least because it is not entirely clear what they cover.

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Re: warsaw ghetto uprising january 1943

Post by wm » 28 Apr 2022 20:07

"Jewish 'residential area" was the official term, it was forbidden to use the word "ghetto" in German (and Jewish) documents.

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